Have Daw's Reached Their Limit?

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21 Sep 2018

Hi All!

So we've all been guilty (some more than others) of wanting x feature or y feature that other daw's such as Ableton, FL Studio, Pro Tools, Studio One, Cubase or Logic have that you wished Reason had. What I'm asking is, have the other daw's reached their limit in terms of features or where they can go?
Other daw's have a multitude of features over Reason, such as Track Freeze, Curved Automation, Vectoral Devices and Mixers, Video Support, Track Markers, Manual Parameter Inputs, Macros and many many others etc etc.

What's left?

I often think, what else can they add?
Will be interesting to see what people think the next big thing will be or any dream features people here would like in a daw that doesn't exist yet?

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21 Sep 2018

I think there's always room for improvement and new functionality. always. even if there aren't obvious or easy new features that are needed, the desire to streamline things and make them easier to accomplish (and ideas on how to do them) is never going away--even if it's as small an improvement as doing something with one less click; or as huge an improvement in doing it in none at all.

the interesting thing about problems is that their solutions inevitably lead to new problems of their own. :)
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21 Sep 2018

Hum...while you make me thinking, i thought about how innovative ReBirth and than Reason was. A real program having virtual software synthesiszers where "DAW"s just sent midi to external uber-expensive hardware. That was awsome futuristic back at that time to have the synth, not to sent midi data to them.

Now? What could be the same futuristic stuff? VR studios? New sound design ways? Maybe a bigger view is needed beyond sequencer problems and note editing.
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21 Sep 2018

While there are some features along the lines of predictive commands and AI compositional assistants (with machine learning) that will likely come in the future, there is also the possibility of a re-thinking of the UI required to make music.

So maybe new features, but more likely new concepts spawning new workflows etc.


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21 Sep 2018

Take a look at Usine Hollyhook http://www.sensomusic.org/ or AudioMulc http://www.audiomulch.com/h to get an idea what might come next in more traditional DAWs like Reaon, Live, Logic or Reaper.

Or use Max/MSP to code your own DAW with your own synths and VST support.

If you like real livecoding, check out Sonic Pi http://sonic-pi.net/ (this is made for kids) or even SuperCollider https://supercollider.github.io/

Or just check out what's possible with Reaper's SWS extension http://www.sws-extension.org/

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21 Sep 2018

Ahornberg wrote:
21 Sep 2018
Take a look at Usine Hollyhook http://www.sensomusic.org/ or AudioMulc http://www.audiomulch.com/h to get an idea what might come next in more traditional DAWs like Reaon, Live, Logic or Reaper.

Or use Max/MSP to code your own DAW with your own synths and VST support.

If you like real livecoding, check out Sonic Pi http://sonic-pi.net/ (this is made for kids) or even SuperCollider https://supercollider.github.io/

Or just check out what's possible with Reaper's SWS extension http://www.sws-extension.org/
Hollyhook, that was a sensory overload...



Audiomulch is like Max MSP but allows VST integration?

What's the SWS / S&M extension for Reaper then?
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21 Sep 2018

Ahornberg wrote:
21 Sep 2018
Take a look at Usine Hollyhook http://www.sensomusic.org/ or AudioMulc http://www.audiomulch.com/h to get an idea what might come next in more traditional DAWs like Reaon, Live, Logic or Reaper.

Or use Max/MSP to code your own DAW with your own synths and VST support.

If you like real livecoding, check out Sonic Pi http://sonic-pi.net/ (this is made for kids) or even SuperCollider https://supercollider.github.io/

Or just check out what's possible with Reaper's SWS extension http://www.sws-extension.org/
Interesting stuff...
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21 Sep 2018

Not even close - and I don't even have to read more than the title to say that.

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RobC wrote:
21 Sep 2018
Not even close - and I don't even have to read more than the title to say that.
Care to elaborate?
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Creativemind wrote:
21 Sep 2018
RobC wrote:
21 Sep 2018
Not even close - and I don't even have to read more than the title to say that.
Care to elaborate?
Whenever something seems to be pushed to the limit, something new pops up - only a matter of time. Plus people have tons of ideas and requests that aren't made yet (or seems to be impossible at the moment) - in any DAW.

That said, there of course are times, where things are waiting in one place for a bit. But it just seems like the end.

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Creativemind wrote:
21 Sep 2018
What's the SWS / S&M extension for Reaper then?
Check out the SWS manual to see what it can do http://www.sws-extension.org/download/R ... SWS171.pdf

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22 Sep 2018

I hope there's more coming. I think we're gonna see innovations in DAWs intelligently collaborating with the user, algorithmically doing more of the tedious busywork of sequencing and mixing, freeing us up to make broader brushstrokes in composing and picking colors and moods.

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Timmy Crowne wrote:
22 Sep 2018
I hope there's more coming. I think we're gonna see innovations in DAWs intelligently collaborating with the user, algorithmically doing more of the tedious busywork of sequencing and mixing, freeing us up to make broader brushstrokes in composing and picking colors and moods.
e.g. RapidComposer http://www.musicdevelopments.com/ and Izotope Neutron.

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22 Sep 2018

All about interaction and interface in the future, I believe as well.

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Loque wrote:
21 Sep 2018
Hum...while you make me thinking, i thought about how innovative ReBirth and than Reason was. A real program having virtual software synthesiszers where "DAW"s just sent midi to external uber-expensive hardware. That was awsome futuristic back at that time to have the synth, not to sent midi data to them.

Now? What could be the same futuristic stuff? VR studios? New sound design ways? Maybe a bigger view is needed beyond sequencer problems and note editing.
Integrating features directly into the workflow, instead of using 3rd party stuff and tedious routing. Or "bridging gaps" like what Pipeline XT in Studio One does. Integrating outboard hardware directly into the workflow with automatic PDC, pre/post gain, saving presets with snapshots for recalls... Or Or (not a DAW feature but it's probably just a matter of time) the possibility to use hardware synthesizers as controllers for Omnisphere 2.5. ... or Softube's Console 1....

I think this is the era of mainly improving DAW UX/convenience which also involves new hardware as mentioned above.

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22 Sep 2018

Loque wrote:
21 Sep 2018
VR studios?
This sounds very appealing to me. Imagine yourself standing inside the rv7000 and see the changes in room size and how the the sound bounces around. Not sure if it's of any use but if it's done well, it would be a fascinating thing to experience.
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22 Sep 2018

There will certainly be another workflow, but there is not much that can be done in sound production. We now have access to so many timbres and possibilities that it no longer plays any role in the generation of future music. Our frequency spectrum and our ear are limited anyway, we can only recombine the sounds by playing with psychoacoustics and emotions.

Groundbreaking changes can only occur if, for example, a discovery is made in another area, such as brain research, and one has a completely different musical approach to the brain.

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22 Sep 2018

Workflow and convenience is pretty much all that's left to improve on. There's very little you can't already do making music in a DAW.

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Creativemind wrote:
21 Sep 2018
What's left?

I often think, what else can they add?
Will be interesting to see what people think the next big thing will be or any dream features people here would like in a daw that doesn't exist yet?
That's easy. Most folks wouldn't say 'no' to a "create a top1 banger right now!"-button. ;)

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24 Sep 2018

The word "learning" in this context is undoubtedly debatable. The two fundamental questions then always arise: What and Who flowed into the grid. The technique of machine learning is based on the fact that computers teach themselves certain rules instead of being firmly entered by a programmer. The computers therefore execute algorithms, but also algorithms that they have learned themselves.

Machine learning algorithms can uncover complex patterns in the data they see, making them useful for image recognition, predicting customer service questions, or recommending movies. They can even do a decent job at naming craft beers, kittens, or guinea pigs. But one thing it turns out they’re bad at? Understanding what humans find sexy.

Wait, what's your plan? I'm a User, I'll improvise.

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24 Sep 2018

I can 100% definitely assure you that in every instance of DAW use the limit was half a meter in front of the screen ;)

I also find it kind of funny to expect anything from the DAW itself, really. I mean when was the last time somebody said "Wow I wonder when they will finally bring out a hammer that will make me REALLY put them nails in properly!" Sure theres electric nail guns but they didn't come from handymen sitting around waiting for a better hammer did they?

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24 Sep 2018

big thing is live playing. a start and stop DAW is not so interesting for many new musicians who simply want to create while the machine is "rolling".

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25 Sep 2018

Some DAWs may actually be very far already, but not Reason yet. New users bring new ideas and faster computers make it possible to reach further. And yes, there's lots of ways to improve older features as well. The good thing about Propellerheads is that they have a great eye in including new features. The core of Reason is the bestest one can dream of. Maybe some day Props decide to break the backwards compitibility and rewrite it all. Maybe it's the only choice to code certain stuff then. But yeah, right now there's so much left to do still.

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25 Sep 2018

One thing for sure . They're gonna get more complicated and more complicated!

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25 Sep 2018

Reasonable man wrote:
25 Sep 2018
One thing for sure . They're gonna get more complicated and more complicated!
OR, they will get simpler and simpler. Could go either way…
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