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Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 12 Jul 2018
by EpiGenetik
OldGoat wrote:
10 Jul 2018


My problem with article 13 (quoted below) is the following sentence:

"Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter."

I think there is room for improvement, especially I fear that algorithms run wild, because it is not even remotely possible to write bug-free software. "Those measures" should be open source and reviewed on a regular base by a group that does not only contain "rightholders".
Yeah, I would have to agree with this really. A friend of mine ran afoul of algorithms taking the piss on Soundcloud. Effectively the algorithm banned him for posting tunes on his own account because whatever algorithm they had concocted found his tunes elsewhere on the web and automatically assumed that it must be getting stolen. The difference in the publishing name was minimal, I think it was like "John Smith", as opposed to "John A Smith". That difference was enough to cause a lot of hassle, and he was banned from posting up his own music for months. Some qualification of "rightholders" is needed here, because the level of recognition is at least partially defined by how much legal muscle you can summon.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 12 Jul 2018
by bxbrkrz
Notice: Algorithms are not ready to tackle the problem yet. Ask Youtube, Soundcloud, et al. Yet these platforms were used as perfect technological solutions for 'something that just work' in the future by the same people defending Article 13 in the first place. Don't be fooled.

Just as the core creativeness of its genesis, people who love the Internet should contribute openly. A love only using non proprietary and open source tools as a solution, so that anyone with the technical know-how can double check the codes.
The open source light is the best and only disinfectant for a long term and healthy Internet.

A 'solution' should never come from the closed, dark and sad hallways of the EUcrat's den; the anathema to an open democracy.

Join The Fight:
https://www.change.org/p/european-parli ... e-internet
https://saveyourinternet.eu/
Thank you.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 06 Aug 2018
by demt
there should be a course in ethics, moral compass to go with it unfortunatly sabbed by the radio and its poverty porn

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 06 Aug 2018
by bxbrkrz
demt wrote:
06 Aug 2018
there should be a course in ethics, moral compass to go with it unfortunatly sabbed by the radio and its poverty porn
Ethics and moral compass. From which group of people, from which culture and from which big giant corporation?
08/11/2011
https://mises.org/library/defense-internet-anonymity

Round 2 for a free and open internet. Keep your eyes open.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 07 Aug 2018
by demt
anything that puts magic roundabout(or the upside of a good charity) in front of brexit for middle of the day light entertainment on the radio. 24 hours of solid murder isnt good for anybody praps if they transcribed sum of beethovens sontas for obo instead of those scratchy out of tune violins radio 3 seems to prefur

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 12 Sep 2018
by bxbrkrz

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 13 Sep 2018
by normen
It's funny.. We know what we call a woman selling her body. What do we call men selling their mind?


Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 13 Sep 2018
by Marco Raaphorst
it's a shitty situation. fuck the music industry who lobbied for these laws. it's sick.

I am now officially a member of the Creative Commons network. see https://network.creativecommons.org/mem ... raaphorst/
been using it since 2003. open source and open content are the best way forward.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 13 Sep 2018
by bxbrkrz
Facebook's Rosetta A.I. detects offensive memes

Copy paste the title up here in your favorite government approved search engine and find the article. As you know one can't be responsible for this forum to be punished for unauthorized, untaxed, pirated, off the global planetary blacklisted URL links shared

outside of the European Union.

Also avoid typing the letter E and the letter U next to each other anywhere. The Great A.I. Leader is looking for 'controversies' and 'bad news' against our beautiful syndicate, the Σurφ Þ yan.µniφn.


Image

https://creativecommons.org/

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 15 Sep 2018
by bxbrkrz

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 15 Sep 2018
by demt
Ethics and moral compass. From which group of people, from which culture and from which big giant corporation?
bxbrkrz wrote.

personally i think the fire brigade has the best moral compass as they actually bet their whole life on rescuing people, that reaction comes 1st in their heads,well worth a chat they is
theres other groups of people coastguards etc
but in the main their is a huge diffrence between them and sum people found on the radio

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 15 Sep 2018
by moneykube



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Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 16 Sep 2018
by bxbrkrz

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by O1B
I went online and saw my signature was gone.
I don't remember removing it, and it's a word for word quote from a 'member.

I didn't draw any conclusions... I just promptly put it back up.

Have a nice day, Y'all!

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by bxbrkrz
O1B wrote:
01 Oct 2018
I went online and saw my signature was gone.
I don't remember removing it, and it's a word for word quote from a 'member.

I didn't draw any conclusions... I just promptly put it back up.

Have a nice day, Y'all!
You do not own your words on a platform you did not create or maintain. They can do whatever they want with a . :puf_smile: .

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by Marco Raaphorst
bxbrkrz wrote:
01 Oct 2018
O1B wrote:
01 Oct 2018
I went online and saw my signature was gone.
I don't remember removing it, and it's a word for word quote from a 'member.

I didn't draw any conclusions... I just promptly put it back up.

Have a nice day, Y'all!
You do not own your words on a platform you did not create or maintain. They can do whatever they want with a . :puf_smile: .
It falls under the copyright of the user. Website owners need to be very clear about what they can do with the user's content.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by bxbrkrz
Marco Raaphorst wrote:
01 Oct 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
01 Oct 2018

You do not own your words on a platform you did not create or maintain. They can do whatever they want with a . :puf_smile: .
It falls under the copyright of the user. Website owners need to be very clear about what they can do with the user's content.
When you click "I agree" what kind of rights do you think you still have once you use a service for 'free'? What kind of rights do you still have when you agree the terms of service can change ad vitam aeternam, and at any time?
If an admin does not like my tone I accept it because I am a tourist visiting a kingdom. There is not much I can do about this, unless setting up my own [kingdom] forum.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by Marco Raaphorst
bxbrkrz wrote:
01 Oct 2018
Marco Raaphorst wrote:
01 Oct 2018


It falls under the copyright of the user. Website owners need to be very clear about what they can do with the user's content.
When you click "I agree" what kind of rights do you think you still have once you use a service for 'free'? What kind of rights do you still have when you agree the terms of service can change ad vitam aeternam, and at any time?
If an admin does not like my tone I accept it because I am a tourist visiting a kingdom. There is not much I can do about this, unless setting up my own [kingdom] forum.
There's this thing called copyright. Everything you publish is something you've created. It's covered by law.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by bxbrkrz
Marco Raaphorst wrote:
01 Oct 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
01 Oct 2018

When you click "I agree" what kind of rights do you think you still have once you use a service for 'free'? What kind of rights do you still have when you agree the terms of service can change ad vitam aeternam, and at any time?
If an admin does not like my tone I accept it because I am a tourist visiting a kingdom. There is not much I can do about this, unless setting up my own [kingdom] forum.
There's this thing called copyright. Everything you publish is something you've created. It's covered by law.
US laws or EU laws? There is a split coming (article 13)
Copyrights do not negate the rights of a forum owner to delete anything written on their platform. Most people prefer the comfort of anonymity, or you could tell the admin who you really are... if you trust them enough to never stab you in the back 10 years from now.
Somebody said their choice of a quote got deleted, but they put it back in again. Nothing to do with copyrights as you do not own the rights of a "quote", but the admin can delete whatever they want on their forum, using whatever excuses or none at all :puf_smile:

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 05 Oct 2018
by demt
ritch enough to hire a very expensive lawyer = really ritch

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 05 Oct 2018
by splangie
If we got rid of all the people, we wouldn't need censorship or regulation.

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 05 Oct 2018
by demt
they all fit on the isle of man so i guess theres something wrong

Re: Stop the censorship-machinery! Save the Internet!

Posted: 23 Oct 2018
by bxbrkrz