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28 Jun 2018

Stop the censorship machine - save the internet!

https://www.change.org/p/european-parli ... e-internet

The internet as you know it is in danger! The European Parliament is currently planning to tighten the copyright law, which would massively restrict your freedom on the internet.

What you can expect

In between July and September, the Plenary of the European Parliament will decide on a new copyright-reform.
This could radically change copyright laws throughout the EU.
Instead of supporting creators as originally intended, said reform could eventually backfire and impose a burden on them.

Especially Article 11 and Article 13 of the reform would entail tremendous restrictions, not only for the consumers.
Even the creators themselves would suffer under these new regulations:

Ancillary Copyright

Article 11 of the proposal of the European Commission is mainly focussing on the Ancillary Copyright of information providers.
More specific press rights are going to protect the contents of these providers and will need a purchased license to be able to be used by others.
Especially big blog pages are affected since cited texts could be seen as a copyright infringement under these new laws.

The problem is simple: A big portion of news providers on the internet are financed by page impressions and the resulting ad income, which is generated by
users visiting their site via external links.
If a platform is not willing or able to pay these licensing fees, they would lose those page views.
The proposed law, originally supposed to support these providers, will now take away their means of existence.

Upload-Filter

Implementation of Article 13 results in a total real-time filtering of every piece of content that will be uploaded to the internet.
What this means: Every data package will be automatically scanned by a potentially error-prone algorithm.
This is comparable to the erroneous algorithm deployed by YouTube, which often mistakenly deletes content that is not protected by copyright law.

If you think about the prospect of an algorithm that pre-analyses all the content that is uploaded to the internet, we take a further step towards the Orwellian dystopia of "1984".
We are on the verge of a drastic reform that could change internet culture forever.

Our demand to the EU

We demand that the Plenary of the European Parliament should not make the same mistake as the Committee on Legal Affairs did on 20th June 2018. In between July and September, they‘ll vote about the reform of copyright law in the digital internal market, in particular Articles 11 and 13.

Through your position in Parliament, you have a duty to represent the opinions and values of your country's citizens and to uphold their freedom.

Join us, so we can stand together for a free internet

#savetheinternet #saveourinternet #fckart13

For further information visit Save the internet

https://www.change.org/p/european-parli ... e-internet

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28 Jun 2018

blockchain tech makes this a waste of time
r11s

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normen
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28 Jun 2018

Th EU has a good track record of actually improving laws after they have been implemented. IMO it‘s about time the governments of this world get into these topics with actual legislation. Just saying it‘s all bad with no constructive suggestions on how to handle the issues is libertarian drivel.

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28 Jun 2018

normen wrote:
28 Jun 2018
Th EU has a good track record of actually improving laws after they have been implemented. IMO it‘s about time the governments of this world get into these topics with actual legislation. Just saying it‘s all bad with no constructive suggestions on how to handle the issues is libertarian drivel.
This is what happen when a system does not trust its citizens. Euro zone is dying in the hands of people none of them citizens voted for. Ironic seeing this from the Bronx. Maybe poetic justice.


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28 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
This is what happen when a system does not trust its citizens. Euro zone is dying in the hands of people none of them citizens voted for. Ironic seeing this from the Bronx. Maybe poetic justice.
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^---- This is what happens when the citizens don't trust their system so.... :)

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28 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
normen wrote:
28 Jun 2018
Th EU has a good track record of actually improving laws after they have been implemented. IMO it‘s about time the governments of this world get into these topics with actual legislation. Just saying it‘s all bad with no constructive suggestions on how to handle the issues is libertarian drivel.
The Eurozone is dying in the hands of people, none of them, citizens voted for.
This is a lie propagated by right-wing politicians in the UK which has filtered down into the US.

The European Parliament is fully democratic and the legal institutions which it appoints have the same legitimacy as the US Supreme Court and it's tributaries.

As part of the "Brexit" campaign in the UK, the idea that MEP's were unelected and illegitimate was continuously re-iterated by various right-wing social media hubs, despite the fact that their leader was in fact, an MEP, and the fact that there had been an MEP election only 2 years before which actually served as the launchpad of their entire campaign - although Euro-scepticism is as old as Britain, of course. Nonetheless, their propaganda arms required delegitimizing of all European institutions, and global social media seems to believe that this is the case - but it is a lie. Plain and simple, it's not true.

As an aside, it's hugely amusing that this assertion came from a citizen of a country where the current leader got elected using a special points system where his 48%-46% loss was magically turned into a 56%-42% win. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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28 Jun 2018

normen wrote:
28 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
This is what happen when a system does not trust its citizens. Euro zone is dying in the hands of people none of them citizens voted for. Ironic seeing this from the Bronx. Maybe poetic justice.
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^---- This is what happens when the citizens don't trust their system so.... :)
100% TRUE
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28 Jun 2018

EpiGenetik wrote:
28 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018

The Eurozone is dying in the hands of people, none of them, citizens voted for.
This is a lie propagated by right-wing politicians in the UK which has filtered down into the US.

The European Parliament is fully democratic and the legal institutions which it appoints have the same legitimacy as the US Supreme Court and it's tributaries.

As part of the "Brexit" campaign in the UK, the idea that MEP's were unelected and illegitimate was continuously re-iterated by various right-wing social media hubs, despite the fact that their leader was in fact, an MEP, and the fact that there had been an MEP election only 2 years before which actually served as the launchpad of their entire campaign - although Euro-scepticism is as old as Britain, of course. Nonetheless, their propaganda arms required delegitimizing of all European institutions, and global social media seems to believe that this is the case - but it is a lie. Plain and simple, it's not true.

As an aside, it's hugely amusing that this assertion came from a citizen of a country where the current leader got elected using a special points system where his 48%-46% loss was magically turned into a 56%-42% win. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The US invented the Internet. You had to mess it up with taxes? Ohh children.
Let's see. If Reddit can still be as it is now in the future euro zone (with no ISP blocks, etc) then it was fine and the euro bureaucrats nobody voted for did nothing wrong. If not, then you'll know Gulag.eu was activated. Either way it's food for my Pépé meme farm, verboten and illegal in EU 2021+ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
It does not matter who's in charge in the US (Black prez or Orange prez) euros need the US more than the US need the euro zone. Ask the German auto industry. :D
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28 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
EpiGenetik wrote:
28 Jun 2018


This is a lie propagated by right-wing politicians in the UK which has filtered down into the US.

The European Parliament is fully democratic and the legal institutions which it appoints have the same legitimacy as the US Supreme Court and it's tributaries.

As part of the "Brexit" campaign in the UK, the idea that MEP's were unelected and illegitimate was continuously re-iterated by various right-wing social media hubs, despite the fact that their leader was in fact, an MEP, and the fact that there had been an MEP election only 2 years before which actually served as the launchpad of their entire campaign - although Euro-scepticism is as old as Britain, of course. Nonetheless, their propaganda arms required delegitimizing of all European institutions, and global social media seems to believe that this is the case - but it is a lie. Plain and simple, it's not true.

As an aside, it's hugely amusing that this assertion came from a citizen of a country where the current leader got elected using a special points system where his 48%-46% loss was magically turned into a 56%-42% win. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The US invented the Internet. You had to mess it up with taxes? Ohh children.
Let's see. If Reddit can still be as it is now in the future euro zone (with no ISP blocks, etc) then it was fine and the euro bureaucrats nobody voted for did nothing wrong. If not, then you'll know Gulag.eu was activated. Either way it's food for my Pépé meme farm, verboten and illegal in EU 2021+ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
It does not matter who's in charge in the US (Black prez or Orange prez) euros need the US more than the US need the euro zone. Ask the German auto industry. :D
In fairness, I didn't expect anything better from you.

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28 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
the euro bureaucrats nobody voted for
There is no system where one can vote for the bureaucrats or actual architects, we just vote for the faces slapped on policy. Trump and all the other authoritarian faces are a result of new symptoms caused by their own medicine. Hypernormalisation caused so much confusion and created so many devious devices to undermine and stall democratic processes that the only remedy (in their minds apparently) is more power (Putin) or even more confusion (Trump). Thats all my conspiracy theory - just to counter your recited one ;) :mrgreen:

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28 Jun 2018

EpiGenetik wrote:
28 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018

The US invented the Internet. You had to mess it up with taxes? Ohh children.
Let's see. If Reddit can still be as it is now in the future euro zone (with no ISP blocks, etc) then it was fine and the euro bureaucrats nobody voted for did nothing wrong. If not, then you'll know Gulag.eu was activated. Either way it's food for my Pépé meme farm, verboten and illegal in EU 2021+ :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
It does not matter who's in charge in the US (Black prez or Orange prez) euros need the US more than the US need the euro zone. Ask the German auto industry. :D
In fairness, I didn't expect anything better from you.
And? Who cares what you think. The subject is Article 13. Not me or my feelings.
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28 Jun 2018

normen wrote:
28 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
the euro bureaucrats nobody voted for
There is no system where one can vote for the bureaucrats or actual architects, we just vote for the faces slapped on policy. Trump and all the other authoritarian faces are a result of new symptoms caused by their own medicine. Hypernormalisation caused so much confusion and created so many devious devices to undermine and stall democratic processes that the only remedy (in their minds apparently) is more power (Putin) or even more confusion (Trump). Thats all my conspiracy theory - just to counter your recited one ;) :mrgreen:
Hmm. I like how you think. But that is true if you reverse any positions or viewpoints. Putting a restriction to your internet is freedom. Making fun of the US prez, calling him Orange, Clown and much worse is proof the US is under a totalitarian regime. One side will see the other side as bad and evil, and vice versa. I am a free speech absolutist.
My position is not compatible with a eurocentric view of the world, with their colonization programs, the way the African continent was divided, etc. Of course I am skeptical when eurocentric people tell me how I should think. :mrgreen:
Maybe Article 13 was the thing every European asked for. It was not.
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29 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
My position is not compatible with a eurocentric view of the world, with their colonization programs, the way the African continent was divided, etc.
I don't think that you have a real position except "Eurocrats are bad". I mean implying that the EU (!) divided the African continent and saying theres too much Trump bashing going on is hilarious but not a position one can assume ;)

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normen wrote:
29 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
28 Jun 2018
My position is not compatible with a eurocentric view of the world, with their colonization programs, the way the African continent was divided, etc.
I don't think that you have a real position except "Eurocrats are bad". I mean implying that the EU (!) divided the African continent and saying theres too much Trump bashing going on is hilarious but not a position one can assume ;)
A perfectly predictable position from someone who would deny the existence of an opposite viewpoint, while sharing to the world their ignorance of their European past History. Also, it seems a new Godwin's Law should replace Adolf with Trump from now on ;)

I did not imply the new European Union (in place now) cut the African continent into pieces. I know you knew that. It's fun.
Berlin Conference A.K.A. The Congo Conference:
The Berlin Conference of 1884–85, also known as the Congo Conference (German: Kongokonferenz) or West Africa Conference (Westafrika-Konferenz), regulated European colonization and trade in Africa during the New Imperialism period and coincided with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. The conference was organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany; its outcome, the General Act of the Berlin Conference, can be seen as the formalization of the Scramble for Africa. The conference ushered in a period of heightened colonial activity by European powers, which eliminated or overrode most existing forms of African autonomy and self-governance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/partition-africa

You can chose to learn, or not.

Getting back to Article 13.
Why do you think banning the concept of fair use of any art form on the internet's EU zone is a good thing for you personally? Forget Trump, forget the eurcrats for a moment. Assuming all euro citizens were actively asking to have their internet restricted for their own good. Also what's so good about taxing http links?

Eurocrats are not bad. Never said they were. You did not vote for them, that's all. :puf_smile:
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29 Jun 2018

Great volley, BxBrkrz.


that was some great misdirection -
' implying that the EU (!) divided the African continent '

- it really doesn't get much more perverse than that.
And, now we know.
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
normen wrote:
29 Jun 2018


I don't think that you have a real position except "Eurocrats are bad". I mean implying that the EU (!) divided the African continent and saying theres too much Trump bashing going on is hilarious but not a position one can assume ;)
A perfectly predictable position from someone who would deny the existence of an opposite viewpoint, while sharing to the world their ignorance of their European past History. Also, it seems a new Godwin's Law should replace Adolf with Trump from now on ;)

I did not imply the new European Union (in place now) cut the African continent into pieces. I know you knew that. It's fun.
Berlin Conference A.K.A. The Congo Conference:
The Berlin Conference of 1884–85, also known as the Congo Conference (German: Kongokonferenz) or West Africa Conference (Westafrika-Konferenz), regulated European colonization and trade in Africa during the New Imperialism period and coincided with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. The conference was organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany; its outcome, the General Act of the Berlin Conference, can be seen as the formalization of the Scramble for Africa. The conference ushered in a period of heightened colonial activity by European powers, which eliminated or overrode most existing forms of African autonomy and self-governance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/partition-africa

You can chose to learn, or not.

Getting back to Article 13.
Why do you think banning the concept of fair use of any art form on the internet's EU zone is a good thing for you personally? Forget Trump, forget the eurcrats for a moment. Assuming all euro citizens were actively asking to have their internet restricted for their own good. Also what's so good about taxing http links?

Eurocrats are not bad. Never said they were. You did not vote for them, that's all. :puf_smile:

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O1B wrote:
29 Jun 2018
Great volley, BxBrkrz.


that was some great misdirection -
' implying that the EU (!) divided the African continent '

- it really doesn't get much more perverse than that.
And, now we know.
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018

A perfectly predictable position from someone who would deny the existence of an opposite viewpoint, while sharing to the world their ignorance of their European past History. Also, it seems a new Godwin's Law should replace Adolf with Trump from now on ;)

I did not imply the new European Union (in place now) cut the African continent into pieces. I know you knew that. It's fun.
Berlin Conference A.K.A. The Congo Conference:
The Berlin Conference of 1884–85, also known as the Congo Conference (German: Kongokonferenz) or West Africa Conference (Westafrika-Konferenz), regulated European colonization and trade in Africa during the New Imperialism period and coincided with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. The conference was organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany; its outcome, the General Act of the Berlin Conference, can be seen as the formalization of the Scramble for Africa. The conference ushered in a period of heightened colonial activity by European powers, which eliminated or overrode most existing forms of African autonomy and self-governance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/partition-africa

You can chose to learn, or not.

Getting back to Article 13.
Why do you think banning the concept of fair use of any art form on the internet's EU zone is a good thing for you personally? Forget Trump, forget the eurcrats for a moment. Assuming all euro citizens were actively asking to have their internet restricted for their own good. Also what's so good about taxing http links?

Eurocrats are not bad. Never said they were. You did not vote for them, that's all. :puf_smile:
And this is why, even if we disagree on things maybe, I will always respect your opinion. Always.
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bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
A perfectly predictable position from someone who would deny the existence of an opposite viewpoint, while sharing to the world their ignorance of their European past History. Also, it seems a new Godwin's Law should replace Adolf with Trump from now on ;)

I did not imply the new European Union (in place now) cut the African continent into pieces. I know you knew that. It's fun.
Berlin Conference A.K.A. The Congo Conference:
The Berlin Conference of 1884–85, also known as the Congo Conference (German: Kongokonferenz) or West Africa Conference (Westafrika-Konferenz), regulated European colonization and trade in Africa during the New Imperialism period and coincided with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. The conference was organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany; its outcome, the General Act of the Berlin Conference, can be seen as the formalization of the Scramble for Africa. The conference ushered in a period of heightened colonial activity by European powers, which eliminated or overrode most existing forms of African autonomy and self-governance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/partition-africa

You can chose to learn, or not.
So what's the point here? America shouldn't support factions in Syria because of their genocide on the native american population? Humans shouldn't live because they killed? People in Africa shouldn't form states because they already lost in the first round? I fail to see the connection here? How is that colonial past any more relevant for the discussion about EU laws than say Greek Mythology? Just you combining the EU and the Kaiserreich in a sentence isn't a logical connection. Now you have to explain it.
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
Getting back to Article 13.
Why do you think banning the concept of fair use of any art form on the internet's EU zone is a good thing for you personally? Forget Trump, forget the eurcrats for a moment. Assuming all euro citizens were actively asking to have their internet restricted for their own good. Also what's so good about taxing http links?
Despite the fact that you bent the actual content of the Article out of shape to make your point I will answer as if you hadn't: Because I am in the art producing industry so I ACTUALLY make my money with art. I neither say that every view should be paid nor that the laws are perfect the way they are but I am all for legislation in that area until we actually live in Star Trek.

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Would the EU legislation somehow effect me here in the US? I assume that it might have a chilling factor on any derivative works by any fans of my work, but how will it stop me from getting paid to mix, master, produce, and compose music for albums, tv, and film?
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normen wrote:
29 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
A perfectly predictable position from someone who would deny the existence of an opposite viewpoint, while sharing to the world their ignorance of their European past History. Also, it seems a new Godwin's Law should replace Adolf with Trump from now on ;)

I did not imply the new European Union (in place now) cut the African continent into pieces. I know you knew that. It's fun.
Berlin Conference A.K.A. The Congo Conference:
The Berlin Conference of 1884–85, also known as the Congo Conference (German: Kongokonferenz) or West Africa Conference (Westafrika-Konferenz), regulated European colonization and trade in Africa during the New Imperialism period and coincided with Germany's sudden emergence as an imperial power. The conference was organized by Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany; its outcome, the General Act of the Berlin Conference, can be seen as the formalization of the Scramble for Africa. The conference ushered in a period of heightened colonial activity by European powers, which eliminated or overrode most existing forms of African autonomy and self-governance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference
http://www.blackpast.org/gah/partition-africa

You can chose to learn, or not.
So what's the point here? America shouldn't support factions in Syria because of their genocide on the native american population? Humans shouldn't live because they killed? People in Africa shouldn't form states because they already lost in the first round? I fail to see the connection here? How is that colonial past any more relevant for the discussion about EU laws than say Greek Mythology? Just you combining the EU and the Kaiserreich in a sentence isn't a logical connection. Now you have to explain it.
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
Getting back to Article 13.
Why do you think banning the concept of fair use of any art form on the internet's EU zone is a good thing for you personally? Forget Trump, forget the eurcrats for a moment. Assuming all euro citizens were actively asking to have their internet restricted for their own good. Also what's so good about taxing http links?
Despite the fact that you bent the actual content of the Article out of shape to make your point I will answer as if you hadn't: Because I am in the art producing industry so I ACTUALLY make my money with art. I neither say that every view should be paid nor that the laws are perfect the way they are but I am all for legislation in that area until we actually live in Star Trek.
Not sure what McCain's little army and its intervention in Syria has got to do with article 13, nor what Afrikaners, for example, have to do with South Africa. Beer maybe? Is that the connection?
Maybe when someone is so used to be in serfitude, allegedly, it is hard for them to see the cage, and they just accept it, without questions, deeper and deeper ;)
BUT:
You haven't told the world what you love so much about that EU article 13 and why it is not a total abomination of the spirit of the internet. You are free to defend it, and the rest of the world is free to mock it into oblivion. Trump, Native Indians, genocide (yeah good one, go go Gadget Go!), but nothing simple as to why Article 13 is such a good idea for the poor (as in no money) creative minds, and NOT JUST for the big corporations first. You keep coming back at the fact I have no reasons to doubt you because you know better. The more you spread, the less you know, the more your mask is crashing down like a delicate porcelain made in China.
Simply tell us what's so good about article 13 and why you defend it that hard. The rest of the world will not twist your delicate prose.
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29 Jun 2018

Careful..
bxbrkrz wrote:Hmm. I like how you think.
He is not looking for your 'Agreement,' you see. He is looking for your 'Submission.'

Keep the Faith, my Friend.
You make the Kitchen very interesting, indeed.

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And this is why, even if we disagree on things maybe, I will always respect your opinion. Always.

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bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
BUT:
You haven't told the world what you love so much about that EU article 13 and why it is not a total abomination of the spirit of the internet. You are free to defend it, and the rest of the world is free to mock it into oblivion. Trump, Native Indians, genocide (yeah good one, go go Gadget Go!), but nothing simple as to why Article 13 is such a good idea for the poor (as in no money) creative minds, and NOT JUST for the big corporations first. You keep coming back at the fact I have no reasons to doubt you because you know better. The more you spread, the less you know, the more your mask is crashing down like a delicate porcelain made in China.
Simply tell us what's so good about article 13 and why you defend it that hard. The rest of the world will not twist your delicate prose.
Of course, I have to explain it. You don't have to explain why this law is like what colonial Europe did in Africa.

Anyway here goes. Do you know that little stupid bit of video where a half-naked guy walks up to a limbo kind of bar hanging there - he's got a metal bar attached to his groin. Then he - with a maniacal expression on his face - proceeds to bang his "metal dick" to the metal bar. Many people know that bit of video but it didn't do anything for the choreographer or the dancers, to the contrary, it only caused issues (and costs!).

So if people want their kids to be meme stars, if an image that is widely spread anyway is used elsewhere - all of that is no issue for me and will surely be accommodated for. If on the other hand an artist wants to decide how and when his art is presented then I will do everything to support him.

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29 Jun 2018

jimmyklane wrote:
29 Jun 2018
Would the EU legislation somehow effect me here in the US? I assume that it might have a chilling factor on any derivative works by any fans of my work, but how will it stop me from getting paid to mix, master, produce, and compose music for albums, tv, and film?
Google, facebook, et al need to have access to the big euro zone. I just hope our US Constitution will not be contaminated by this cancer via the lobbying push of the big social network corporations. They have deep pockets so it could eventually happen here too. Hopefully Merkel is out soon and things will be better in Europe once their queen is gone. IF!

Danger Mouse became famous with the Grey album. He then moved on to do great things. A future Euro Danger Mouse like artist will never happen with Article 13. Low income euro artists willing to remix, blog, share their art online are doomed to never thrive, exactly what the eurocrats (big money media groups) want.

Sad for them, but they can always move to the welcoming US.
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29 Jun 2018

normen wrote:
29 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
BUT:
You haven't told the world what you love so much about that EU article 13 and why it is not a total abomination of the spirit of the internet. You are free to defend it, and the rest of the world is free to mock it into oblivion. Trump, Native Indians, genocide (yeah good one, go go Gadget Go!), but nothing simple as to why Article 13 is such a good idea for the poor (as in no money) creative minds, and NOT JUST for the big corporations first. You keep coming back at the fact I have no reasons to doubt you because you know better. The more you spread, the less you know, the more your mask is crashing down like a delicate porcelain made in China.
Simply tell us what's so good about article 13 and why you defend it that hard. The rest of the world will not twist your delicate prose.
Of course, I have to explain it. You don't have to explain why this law is like what colonial Europe did in Africa.

Anyway here goes. Do you know that little stupid bit of video where a half-naked guy walks up to a limbo kind of bar hanging there - he's got a metal bar attached to his groin. Then he - with a maniacal expression on his face - proceeds to bang his "metal dick" to the metal bar. Many people know that bit of video but it didn't do anything for the choreographer or the dancers, to the contrary, it only caused issues (and costs!).

So if people want their kids to be meme stars, if an image that is widely spread anyway is used elsewhere - all of that is no issue for me and will surely be accommodated for. If on the other hand an artist wants to decide how and when his art is presented then I will do everything to support him.
As said earlier, a blockchain like solution is better than nuke-it-all-Article-13.
I haven't seen your video, but I understand why it would be so important to you. For 99% of the rest of the planet we'll adapt a find a way to make a living being memed to death.

Is there a club online of Article 13 lovers? I want to see artists defending this tumor no one asked.

Article 13 is worse than the Congo Conference.
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bxbrkrz wrote:
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Article 13 is worse than the Congo Conference.
Yeah, no. Maybe you brush up your African history skills ;)

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normen wrote:
29 Jun 2018
bxbrkrz wrote:
29 Jun 2018
Article 13 is worse than the Congo Conference.
Yeah, no. Maybe you brush up your African history skills ;)
Can't beat The Berlin folks, that is true. They did a great job with the brushing.
Edit: anyone wanting to learn, not from a euro centric Historical viewpoint of Africa, you are welcome to learn:
https://s15.postimg.cc/row0a5kbv/civ_or ... a_diop.png

You cannot create a meme. You cannot control a meme, It's an organic thing. It is hard to understand when getting passed a certain generation age.
Article 13 will help people becoming better meme artists, the Light Bearer funny memes, thanks to its eurocrats, well known funny bunch themselves. :mrgreen:

This. Is a great meme.
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