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EU rejects Article 13 copyright law that could have killed the meme

THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT has rejected plans to fast-track Articles 11 and 13, which critics say could have made memes illegal.
A crucial vote on the legislation has seen it thrown out by a majority of 318, against 278 in favour and 31 abstentions.
The Digital Single Market rules have faced scrutiny on both sides, with supporters like struggling skiffle musician Paul McCartney lobbying MEPs for its importance.
Ahead of Thursday's vote, Wikipedia sites across Europe are showed their contempt for the planned copyright reforms in the EU which would if enforced as presented, mean an end for fair use, remixes of songs, supercuts of movies and memes in general.
The not-for-profit site completely blocked access in Italy, whilst other sites carried dire warnings about the future of the site (which it says may have to close) and a call to action to turn back.
Article 11 and 13 would, critics say, have made it impossible to share content legitimately, and could even change the way search engines work. The legislation also includes plans for a 'copyright filter' on all uploaded content, regardless of its source.
With such technology still well in its infancy, it seems likely that anything that was installed would be liable to huge false positives, not to mention an almighty cost for larger users.

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A freedom to express was a nightmare here on this forum as well. I said I feel as tired like a Vietnam war veteran and got banned. I even didn't say my opinion that which side I was aiming for, a Vietnamese or USA's veteran.

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bxbrkrz wrote:
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EU rejects Article 13 copyright law that could have killed the meme

THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT has rejected plans to fast-track Articles 11 and 13, which critics say could have made memes illegal.
A crucial vote on the legislation has seen it thrown out by a majority of 318, against 278 in favour and 31 abstentions.
The Digital Single Market rules have faced scrutiny on both sides, with supporters like struggling skiffle musician Paul McCartney lobbying MEPs for its importance.
Ahead of Thursday's vote, Wikipedia sites across Europe are showed their contempt for the planned copyright reforms in the EU which would if enforced as presented, mean an end for fair use, remixes of songs, supercuts of movies and memes in general.
The not-for-profit site completely blocked access in Italy, whilst other sites carried dire warnings about the future of the site (which it says may have to close) and a call to action to turn back.
Article 11 and 13 would, critics say, have made it impossible to share content legitimately, and could even change the way search engines work. The legislation also includes plans for a 'copyright filter' on all uploaded content, regardless of its source.
With such technology still well in its infancy, it seems likely that anything that was installed would be liable to huge false positives, not to mention an almighty cost for larger users.

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A freedom to express was a nightmare here on this forum as well. I said I feel as tired like a Vietnam war veteran and got banned. I even didn't say my opinion that which side I was aiming for, a Vietnamese or USA's veteran.
If you want to stay safe within a war allegory on a forum, use one so old no one will still be alive today to complain about it, or too much work for someone to look it up.
Example (and I quote):
"I feel as tired as the bones of a Battle of Cartagena de Indias' veteran."

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A freedom to express was a nightmare here on this forum as well. I said I feel as tired like a Vietnam war veteran and got banned. I even didn't say my opinion that which side I was aiming for, a Vietnamese or USA's veteran.
If you want to stay safe within a war allegory on a forum, use one so old no one will still be alive today to complain about it, or too much work for someone to look it up.
Example (and I quote):
"I feel as tired as the bones of a Battle of Cartagena de Indias' veteran."

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I have not enough time or will to do that. There's lots of people who just want to start an arguement out of everything.

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I have not enough time or will to do that. There's lots of people who just want to start an arguement out of everything.
Agreed - it's the same with all this talk about censorship, too open borders, too closed borders - it's all bullshit anyway and not at all the actual issues that should be talked about - it's Fake News, Propaganda, Divide and Rule. Some people even find it cool and go along with it, put on some fires left and right. Like Americans suddenly caring about the EU or Christians about the Quran - because they understand whats actually happening. It's trolling and they love to troll. So everybody fucks up everybody else - men against women, germans against greeks, america against russia, christians against muslims, black against white. It only works when you break down shit to it's simplest level - THEM vs US. Then you can just ask "What side are you on?" and you have not just the trolls but all the simple minds in your boat too and play captain on your retard ship.

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The internet does not just belong to the EUcrats, no matter what they tell you. The internet belongs to all.

I trust the dude who invented the www way back when, on his NeXT machine. If he's telling us not to support Article 11/13, then that's the only lighthouse worth trusting. Anything else is noise and mermaid boat wrecking chants.

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08 Jul 2018

Well, I guess we should all thank the democratically elected European Parliament for voting this down :)

Democracy in action - I love it :D

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Well, I guess we should all thank the democratically elected European Parliament for voting this down :)

Democracy in action - I love it :D
Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
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EpiGenetik wrote:
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Well, I guess we should all thank the democratically elected European Parliament for voting this down :)

Democracy in action - I love it :D
Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
Absolutely. It's worth noting though, that Trump has laid bare to the world all the problems of contemporary America, and in a way that is difficult to doubt. His real usefulness is in the backlash that he is generating.

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Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
Absolutely. It's worth noting though, that Trump has laid bare to the world all the problems of contemporary America, and in a way that is difficult to doubt. His real usefulness is in the backlash that he is generating.
You are correct....but he’s ruined my ideal of America. Even as a child born in 1980, I was raised to believe that we are the greatest nation on this planet, that you can do and be anything here, and that it’s a land of opportunity for those less fortunate than me. I am the new Roman citizen, privileged beyond measure. Now I feel as if it’s all a farce. It’s destroyed my (admittedly false) worldview in a way I never expected to see. Our empire is and has been in decline since the end of the Cold War, and we are trying to MAKE enemies to fight. Without a war we collapse inward and see the rot within.
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Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
Absolutely. It's worth noting though, that Trump has laid bare to the world all the problems of contemporary America, and in a way that is difficult to doubt. His real usefulness is in the backlash that he is generating.
Yeah, it's really just old policies in new clothing. Trump is making a ruckus and in the background people are playing their chess. Before it was people talking bullshit in a sincere way and in the background people were playing their chess.

To me all of this including Trump is not a support of their policies but just the people crossing the most outrageous thing on their ballot because it's all piles of shit anyway. You can decide between a cancer and a gun to the head. I HOPE we'll get actual policies out of all this because they can't control their own chaos anymore. To me the only way out is total honesty. "Yep, we go in there for the oil, you wanna pay 10$ a gallon tomorrow and have your Marine cousin live on the streets?" I BET people would be "Okay well, I guess you gotta bash them heads in then but be careful plz." No problem. All this angst. My job, my children, my god, my values.

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To me all of this including Trump is not a support of their policies but just the people crossing the most outrageous thing on their ballot because it's all piles of shit anyway. You can decide between a cancer and a gun to the head. I HOPE we'll get actual policies out of all this because they can't control their own chaos anymore. To me the only way out is total honesty. "Yep, we go in there for the oil, you wanna pay 10$ a gallon tomorrow and have your Marine cousin live on the streets?" I BET people would be "Okay well, I guess you gotta bash them heads in then but be careful plz." No problem. All this angst. My job, my children, my god, my values.
Agree! transparency in management and politics is the only way to go.

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Democracy in action - I love it

Talking about Trump is a simpleton way to derail the topic at hand: Article 13 being an abomination.

Follow the mermaid logic: So the US has become a tyranny since 2016, but not before. Forget all the bad things about drones blowing up a whole wedding to get one bad guy (that's so old news), while the EUcrats represent true democracy.
Follow the mermaid logic: It is sad the US will no longer be an EMPIRE (in essence a military domination of people, cultures, and places away from the motherland). The Leading From Behind policy is no longer valid. An EMPIRE is a good thing now.
It is as if the US and any old empire Colonialism mindset was justified. Internet colonialism is a good thing then. Get it?

Notice how mermaids can't explain why they love and defend Article 13. You will find ZERO examples why Article 13 is a good thing in this thread.
Their chants is hollow and out of phase with reality. Don't fall for this. Don't wreck your sailboat.


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First they came for the privacy violations, then they came for the memes.

The European Union is trying to pass a hotly debated law on copyright. The European Copyright Directive has been two years in the making, and on June 20, the European Parliament's legal affairs committee voted to approve the draft legislation.

On July 5, the Parliament as a whole rejected the measure -- but that's hardly the end of the matter. The reforms will get voted on again in September after policy makers do some tinkering.

Those votes happened just weeks after Europe's last big piece of internet-related legislation -- the General Data Privacy Regulation (GDPR) -- kicked in.

Both the Copyright Directive and GDPR could dramatically impact and change things about the internet as we know it. But they also differ significantly, not just in scope, but also in how they're viewed and received by the world beyond Brussels.

GDPR has forced internet companies to scramble to fall in line with the new policy, but the privacy protections it promises internet users mean it's generally thought of as a consumer-friendly effort. Some hail it as evidence that the EU is leading the way when it comes to regulating the internet.

The pending Copyright Directive, however, is meeting with the opposite reaction.

What is the European Copyright Directive and why are people against it?

The EU Copyright Directive -- or to give its full name, the Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market -- is Europe's attempt to harmonize copyright laws across all member states.

The last EU-wide copyright law was put in place in 2001, when the internet was a dramatically different place to how it is today. It's designed to update the law and make it more relevant to the internet we know and love now, as well as to anticipate change down the line. The legislation, however, is vague -- one of the criticisms against it -- in terms of what actually needs to change and how it will be upheld.

But there are two sections in particular that have drawn criticism for being overly harsh: Article 13, and to a lesser extent, Article 11. The impact, its critics say, could mean a substantially more closed internet of the future.

Who is in favor of the directive?

Alex Voss, rapporteur of the European Parliament for the copyright directive, for one. He suggested the law and believes its criticisms are highly exaggerated.

Many members of the European Parliament also support the overhaul of EU copyright law. How many exactly will be determined when it's put to a vote.

Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda is suggesting alternatives to both Article 11 and Article 13. She suggests her amendments "fairly balance the interests of different groups without compromising on fundamental rights."

What is Article 13?

Article 13 would force all online platforms to police and prevent the uploading of copyrighted content, or make people seek the correct licenses to post that content. For the most part this would mean filters that check content as it's uploaded would be mandatory for platforms including Facebook, Instagram, GitHub, Reddit and Tumblr, but also many much smaller platforms.

YouTube already uses such a system -- called Content ID -- to protect copyright infringement, but the technology to do this is extremely expensive and has taken over 11 years to build and refine.


Who has a problem with it and why?

The concerns about Article 13 are wide-ranging, encompassing factors including unease about the cost of compliance for smaller companies, and out-and-out censorship of the internet.

In a letter addressed to the president of the EP, Antoni Tajani, around 70 internet luminaries, including Vint Cerf and Tim Berners-Lee, expressed their concern that the provision could cause "substantial harm" to the internet.


"Article 13 takes an unprecedented step towards the transformation of the internet from an open platform for sharing and innovation, into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users," they said.

An organized campaign against Article 13 warns that it would affect everything from memes to code, remixes to livestreaming. Almost 400,000 people have so far signed a Change.org petition against the provision.

The Max Planck Institute, a nonprofit group, notes that Article 13 could threaten freedom of expression and information as enshrined in the European Charter of Human Rights.

What is Article 11?

A second part of the draft legislation, Article 11, is also raising eyebrows. This section stipulates that companies like Google, Facebook and Microsoft may have to pay publishers for showing snippets of news articles.

Who has a problem with it and why?

The objections to Article 11 are less vocal, but they're out there nonetheless. It's unclear what exactly would have to be licensed (snippets? headlines? links themselves?) so the jury is out on how much of an impact it might have.

"Platforms unable or unwilling to pay licensing fees would need to shut down or disallow users from sharing links with snippets," said Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda.

There are fears it could outlaw news aggregators as we know them or even prevent any sites other than giants like Google, which could afford a license, from linking to articles at all.

How will this affect Facebook and other social-media companies?

The law would force social media platforms to take more direct responsibility for policing uploaded content. Big tech companies will likely put their own, costly solutions in place for doing this. Smaller companies would likely use a more centralized platform.

It would also prevent social platforms from showing any kind of "snippet" of news stories, making it ultimately harder to share and link to content.

How will this affect me, an EU resident?

Everything you upload onto the internet will be checked for copyright beforehand, so this could mean no more making memes or edits for your favorite fan Tumblr, among many other things.

It could also mean the end of some of your favorite news aggregation tools and apps. When you click on a link, you may have little clue ahead of time what lies beyond.

How will this affect me, a non-EU resident?

Each territory is governed by its own copyright laws, so unless the directive causes the big internet companies to make some huge, fundamental changes, you might not be directly affected.

The internet may not have as much content generated from within Europe, however, so if you're a fan of British humor or Europe's take on popular memes, your experience of being online may be the poorer for it.

Will the directive definitely pass into law?

It's too early to say whether the Copyright Directive will pass. The July 5 vote by the EU Parliament was a narrow one: 318 against, 278 in favor, with 31 abstentions. Next comes more debate and potential amendments en route to a new vote in September

If it eventually passes in Parliament, the measure then needs to be approved by each member state through the Council of the EU, before returning to Parliament for a final vote, potentially in December or January.


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jimmyklane wrote:
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EpiGenetik wrote:
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Democracy in action - I love it :D
Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
Democracy depends on educated people that have got enough free time to analyse the political consequences of their decisions.
Thus be weary of politicians and media that are trying to dumb down you or your peers (either by budget cuts for schools and universities or constantly lying to your face). Also oppose any laws that will lead to people being kept busy by extension of work hours, lower wages or less social services if you're interested in keeping (or re-establishing) your democracy.

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Absolutely. It's worth noting though, that Trump has laid bare to the world all the problems of contemporary America, and in a way that is difficult to doubt. His real usefulness is in the backlash that he is generating.
You are correct....but he’s ruined my ideal of America. Even as a child born in 1980, I was raised to believe that we are the greatest nation on this planet, that you can do and be anything here, and that it’s a land of opportunity for those less fortunate than me. I am the new Roman citizen, privileged beyond measure. Now I feel as if it’s all a farce. It’s destroyed my (admittedly false) worldview in a way I never expected to see. Our empire is and has been in decline since the end of the Cold War, and we are trying to MAKE enemies to fight. Without a war we collapse inward and see the rot within.
I think that the solution to declining empires is not to build the damn things in the first place :D

The US has always been deeply camouflaged by its own sales pitch. Technically you can be whatever you want - providing you don't do anything that pisses off the owners, and that you keep a safe distance from those who believe you shouldn't be allowed to do whatever you want.

Most of politics is a farce, yes, but we are a collection of emerging cultures. The sales pitch was the ideal that the US was aiming for; the reality was Afghanistan, Iraq twice, several other conflicts, all sorts of racial nonsense.... and finally an orange buffoon.

BUT

At least the intention is there. The desire to be better is still healthy, and in my lifetime has only ever appeared to get stronger, although some peoples understanding of "a better world" is truly fucked up.

There is still hope, and the US is about to do the mid-terms, which should be seen as the opportunity to cripple this lunatic. :D

Peace

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To me all of this including Trump is not a support of their policies but just the people crossing the most outrageous thing on their ballot because it's all piles of shit anyway.
You wanna know the really hilarious (in a disturbing sort of way) thing about Trump? He consistently said throughout his campaign that he was the anti-establishment candidate :)

A real-estate "billionaire" who if nothing else was at least very well schooled in branding, with lots of national TV access prior to his campaign (he was one of the most recognisable men in the world - probably themost recognisable business type), and "friends" everywhere in the government and legal system; and he sold the idea that he was anti-establishment.... successfully. He didn't get the majority of the vote, but he still took enough votes to win the electoral college, which is all that matters in the US.

46% of people just drank the kool-aid.

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jam-s wrote:
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jimmyklane wrote:
08 Jul 2018

Democracy in action can also be dangerous when you have demogoges in power. See the sitting US president for reference material. :End Rant:
Democracy depends on educated people that have got enough free time to analyse the political consequences of their decisions.
Thus be weary of politicians and media that are trying to dumb down you or your peers (either by budget cuts for schools and universities or constantly lying to your face). Also oppose any laws that will lead to people being kept busy by extension of work hours, lower wages or less social services if you're interested in keeping (or re-establishing) your democracy.
Agreed :) :) :)

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Notice how it is easier to talk about Trump than it is about defending Article 13 and the EUcrats. The mermaids have ZERO examples of why they love Article 13. Read the back and forth, and how hard they try to change the subject and derail the thread. So pathetic and obvious, yet funny. Mermaids sound hollow and out of phase with reality, trapped forever in their Orange Trump Bubble.

Stay focused. This new Godwin's law (all threads will eventually evolved into simpletons talking about Trump, no matter the subject) is proof enough they don't care about the internet and its freedom, especially for emerging new opportunities from the 3rd world. They want the rest of the world to stay down. They want the rest of the emerging world under the legislative boots of their century old EMPIRE.

Reject it.

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Agreed :) :) :)
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10 Jul 2018

EpiGenetik wrote:
10 Jul 2018
normen wrote:
09 Jul 2018

To me all of this including Trump is not a support of their policies but just the people crossing the most outrageous thing on their ballot because it's all piles of shit anyway.
You wanna know the really hilarious (in a disturbing sort of way) thing about Trump? He consistently said throughout his campaign that he was the anti-establishment candidate :)

A real-estate "billionaire" who if nothing else was at least very well schooled in branding, with lots of national TV access prior to his campaign (he was one of the most recognisable men in the world - probably themost recognisable business type), and "friends" everywhere in the government and legal system; and he sold the idea that he was anti-establishment.... successfully. He didn't get the majority of the vote, but he still took enough votes to win the electoral college, which is all that matters in the US.

46% of people just drank the kool-aid.
Yeah, dunno if they really drank it as said. But yeah, the premise itself was so ridiculous - Trump draining a swamp. I guess the people that REALLY believed that are the same that believe that democracy is broken in the EU as well. It‘s easy to think that every system is flawed if you have a reality TV real estate broker as your president ;)

I mean now that Article 13 is even being rejected officially it‘s hard to not crack up when people still make a jihad from it xD

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Notice the pattern: . Orange Trump bubble still strong in this thread for reasons unknown.
Notice the pattern: how we should lay down because. Because? Article 13 and its vote has been pushed back to September. It's not dead. The pressure has to be maintained.
Notice the pattern: If we don't back down we are associated with a word, a word born from a specific religion. 'when people still make a jihad from it xD'
Notice the pattern: Still ZERO reasons why they supported Article 13 in the first place.

Remember: They defended EUcrats they didn't even know, Lobbyists behind closed doors who tried to push their agenda and their master's.
The more they share their condescending views about anyone, the more you see how they are behind their mask. See it. Remember this the next time they hide behind a cute :) or :puf_smile: on the forum. They need to talk forever so we can witness it and learn from it.


Stay focused. Stay polite. Do not insult them back. No matter what they think of you. You are saving their freedom in spite of themselves and their disturbing inflated ego.

The love of freedom always win, and it is always worth fighting for it.

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10 Jul 2018

Since I've started this thread, I would like to add some aspects:

First I have to clarify that I also want that the "rightholders" get what they deserve, but this new copyright law must be improved!

My problem with article 13 (quoted below) is the following sentence:

"Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter."

I think there is room for improvement, especially I fear that algorithms run wild, because it is not even remotely possible to write bug-free software. "Those measures" should be open source and reviewed on a regular base by a group that does not only contain "rightholders".

Also I want to add a different point of view regarding article 13:

http://www.impalamusic.org/sites/defaul ... 202016.pdf

"But the future is jeopardised by a substantial “value gap” caused by user upload services such as
Google’s YouTube that are unfairly siphoning value away from the music community and its artists
and songwriters."

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ ... for-music/

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"Article 13
Use of protected content by information society service providers storing and giving access to large amounts of works and other subject-matter uploaded by their users

1.Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of their works or other subject-matter or to prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject-matter identified by rightholders through the cooperation with the service providers. Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter.

2.Member States shall ensure that the service providers referred to in paragraph 1 put in place complaints and redress mechanisms that are available to users in case of disputes over the application of the measures referred to in paragraph 1.

3.Member States shall facilitate, where appropriate, the cooperation between the information society service providers and rightholders through stakeholder dialogues to define best practices, such as appropriate and proportionate content recognition technologies, taking into account, among others, the nature of the services, the availability of the technologies and their effectiveness in light of technological developments."

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normen
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10 Jul 2018

OldGoat wrote:
10 Jul 2018
Since I've started this thread, I would like to add some aspects:

First I have to clarify that I also want that the "rightholders" get what they deserve, but this new copyright law must be improved!

My problem with article 13 (quoted below) is the following sentence:

"Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter."

I think there is room for improvement, especially I fear that algorithms run wild, because it is not even remotely possible to write bug-free software. "Those measures" should be open source and reviewed on a regular base by a group that does not only contain "rightholders".

Also I want to add a different point of view regarding article 13:

http://www.impalamusic.org/sites/defaul ... 202016.pdf

"But the future is jeopardised by a substantial “value gap” caused by user upload services such as
Google’s YouTube that are unfairly siphoning value away from the music community and its artists
and songwriters."

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ ... for-music/

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"Article 13
Use of protected content by information society service providers storing and giving access to large amounts of works and other subject-matter uploaded by their users

1.Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of their works or other subject-matter or to prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject-matter identified by rightholders through the cooperation with the service providers. Those measures, such as the use of effective content recognition technologies, shall be appropriate and proportionate. The service providers shall provide rightholders with adequate information on the functioning and the deployment of the measures, as well as, when relevant, adequate reporting on the recognition and use of the works and other subject-matter.

2.Member States shall ensure that the service providers referred to in paragraph 1 put in place complaints and redress mechanisms that are available to users in case of disputes over the application of the measures referred to in paragraph 1.

3.Member States shall facilitate, where appropriate, the cooperation between the information society service providers and rightholders through stakeholder dialogues to define best practices, such as appropriate and proportionate content recognition technologies, taking into account, among others, the nature of the services, the availability of the technologies and their effectiveness in light of technological developments."
Thanks, I agree.

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bxbrkrz
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10 Jul 2018

Thanks, I agree

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