TIDAL accused of deliberately faking Kanye West and Beyoncé streaming numbers

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RobC wrote:
15 May 2018
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Okay so riddle me this: How is somebody who devotes his whole life to finding the right tunes supposed to eat if he doesn't make money from what he learns on the way?
That's an instrument player - unless you mean a piano tuner. - With that effort, we can call wall painters artists, too.
Shit music is the fault of talentless composers, producers - or just call them "creators". That there are cultic monkeys, pushed on the stage, whom are willing to perform like it's their work, is their own responsibility (I know, they just do their jobs - so do prostitutes ~ though they don't hold a microphone in their hands, but something else.)
So your answer is "they SHOULD be poor"? Either that or you don't seem to be aware that Lady Gaga is a great artist, no matter how many records she sold (just as an example).

Edit: Or you just didn't get that by "tune" I also meant "song" or "opus" or whatever musical creation a musician might come up with (and yes, the right tune on an instrument can also be that).
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Strange how we focus our mind away from the subject of a fraud, and instead trying define what is or is not "good music"
Like cats and a laser pointer.
ADD?
There must be a formula that can predict this behavior in a thread evolution.

No wonder Tidal exists as is.
Fascinating.
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I read through this thread. I must agree.
‘The system sucks! We know how it’d be perfect.’
Yep!
bxbrkrz wrote:
15 May 2018
Strange how we focus our mind away from the subject of a fraud, and instead trying define what is or is not "good music"
Like cats and a laser pointer.
ADD?
There must be a formula that can predict this behavior in a thread evolution.

No wonder Tidal exists as is.
Fascinating.

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normen wrote:
15 May 2018
RobC wrote:
15 May 2018

That's an instrument player - unless you mean a piano tuner. - With that effort, we can call wall painters artists, too.
Shit music is the fault of talentless composers, producers - or just call them "creators". That there are cultic monkeys, pushed on the stage, whom are willing to perform like it's their work, is their own responsibility (I know, they just do their jobs - so do prostitutes ~ though they don't hold a microphone in their hands, but something else.)
So your answer is "they SHOULD be poor"? Either that or you don't seem to be aware that Lady Gaga is a great artist, no matter how many records she sold (just as an example).

Edit: Or you just didn't get that by "tune" I also meant "song" or "opus" or whatever musical creation a musician might come up with (and yes, the right tune on an instrument can also be that).
It's unfair that nobody gives a listen to talented, professional musicians whom are out there alone in the wild; or if they do, they give their accounts a check to see little to no subscribers, and send them an automated rejection.

Those people are my focus. If shit music would instead be rejected, then there would be less risk of tricking streaming systems.

But making comments won't ever change that anyway, so let's move on, since the thread starter already complained, too.

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15 May 2018

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It's unfair that nobody gives a listen to talented, professional musicians whom are out there alone in the wild; or if they do, they give their accounts a check to see little to no subscribers, and send them an automated rejection.
Well I don't see that happen much. When I see great unknown musicians I see them celebrated - when they start to make some money is when the rejection starts.

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15 May 2018

normen wrote:
15 May 2018
RobC wrote:
15 May 2018
It's unfair that nobody gives a listen to talented, professional musicians whom are out there alone in the wild; or if they do, they give their accounts a check to see little to no subscribers, and send them an automated rejection.
Well I don't see that happen much. When I see great unknown musicians I see them celebrated - when they start to make some money is when the rejection starts.
I meant that even independent record labels do this - including almost empty ones! - let alone major ones.
How listeners act, is a different matter.

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RobC wrote:
15 May 2018
normen wrote:
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So your answer is "they SHOULD be poor"? Either that or you don't seem to be aware that Lady Gaga is a great artist, no matter how many records she sold (just as an example).

Edit: Or you just didn't get that by "tune" I also meant "song" or "opus" or whatever musical creation a musician might come up with (and yes, the right tune on an instrument can also be that).
It's unfair that nobody gives a listen to talented, professional musicians whom are out there alone in the wild; or if they do, they give their accounts a check to see little to no subscribers, and send them an automated rejection.

Those people are my focus. If shit music would instead be rejected, then there would be less risk of tricking streaming systems.

But making comments won't ever change that anyway, so let's move on, since the thread starter already complained, too.
Not at all. Nothing you said was wrong per say.

Before Tidal, the radio payola scandal was already strong. After that you had something called "the matrix system" (named before the movie). It was a pretty evil practice. A label had an artist under contract. Recording studios, expensive lock outs for weeks, printing tapes after tapes. The artist was in heaven. More recordings, more tapes, some mixing, some "problems", need to go back in the studio, etc. The artist was under contract. Another label could not grab the artist, but the album and project was never finalized. A tax write-off. I am sure some of the old schoolers know what I am talking about.

We cannot force people to like the music you like, but can all agree something like Tidalpayolamatrix needs to die slowly in a pit of fire in Hawaii (sorry for the indigestion Pele).
I did say that, maybe, the future could be based on a blockchain tech developed for the artists. No more middle anything. Instead of a stupid looking thumb for scumbook, clicking on a crypto-currency *like* would send money to that artist directly. No more labels. But because it is hard to understand why somebody you like is not liked by many more people, we get labels and something like this:

Lil Pump - "Gucci Gang" (Official Music Video)
681,591,924 views



Divided we fail.
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15 May 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
15 May 2018
RobC wrote:
15 May 2018


It's unfair that nobody gives a listen to talented, professional musicians whom are out there alone in the wild; or if they do, they give their accounts a check to see little to no subscribers, and send them an automated rejection.

Those people are my focus. If shit music would instead be rejected, then there would be less risk of tricking streaming systems.

But making comments won't ever change that anyway, so let's move on, since the thread starter already complained, too.
Not at all. Nothing you said was wrong per say.

Before Tidal, the radio payola scandal was already strong. After that you had something called "the matrix system" (named before the movie). It was a pretty evil practice. A label had an artist under contract. Recording studios, expensive lock outs for weeks, printing tapes after tapes. The artist was in heaven. More recordings, more tapes, some mixing, some "problems", need to go back in the studio, etc. The artist was under contract. Another label could not grab the artist, but the album and project was never finalized. A tax write-off. I am sure some of the old schoolers know what I am talking about.

We cannot force people to like the music you like, but can all agree something like Tidalpayolamatrix needs to die slowly in a pit of fire in Hawaii (sorry for the indigestion Pele).
I did say that, maybe, the future could be based on a blockchain tech developed for the artists. No more middle anything. Instead of a stupid looking thumb for scumbook, clicking on a crypto-currency *like* would send money to that artist directly. No more labels. But because it is hard to understand why somebody you like is not liked by many more people, we get labels and something like this:

Some Idiot - "Shit Music" (Official Music Video)
681,591,924 views


Divided we fail.
Well, to sum it up, seems the only way is tops being a freelancer, independent from any record label. We all know where that usually leads, though. -> "No Views"

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"No views" on a platform you don't own, a platform you didn't build.

As long as we, artists, believe the only way forward is to love the plantation they built for us, we will fail.

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Hehe, well good luck building a society on your own guys :)

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Who’s using the royal plural now baby? 🧂

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Hehe, well good luck building a society on your own guys :)
motuscott wrote:
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If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
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LOL! Perfect!
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bxbrkrz wrote:
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"No views" on a platform you don't own, a platform you didn't build.

As long as we, artists, believe the only way forward is to love the plantation they built for us, we will fail.

It's not the platform, but the difficulty of attracting an audience.

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All social networks were a small cold slice of pie at one time.

Apple pie.

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P.S. As for other comments, what's the batch, smart-ass, and poisoning, destructive commentary good for?

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RobC wrote:
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P.S. As for other comments, what's the batch, smart-ass, and poisoning, destructive commentary good for?
Agreed, just let people do their music no matter what they earn, it‘s easy to say that labels do everything wrong - smartass batch as you say.

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normen wrote:
16 May 2018
RobC wrote:
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P.S. As for other comments, what's the batch, smart-ass, and poisoning, destructive commentary good for?
Agreed, just let people do their music no matter what they earn, it‘s easy to say that labels do everything wrong - smartass batch as you say.
Alright. This whole networking and communication and debating is really not for me.
I enjoy creating music, but I don't enjoy it if there's no-one to make it for.
One with zero networking skills should avoid music, likewise should people with zero talent, but maximum communication skills.
Those in-between usually have moderate success.

...but Christ, look at where Justin Bieber is <-> look at where I am (better not).

It's how life goes. There's a Hungarian saying, which goes like (excuse the profanity this once): "The stronger dog fucks."
I remember a loose Zootopia quote that says something like ~ 'Deep down, we're still animals...'

I can be as pretty as I want to be, if I'm the weak dog category. - No batch is gonna want me.

"I'm finished." (From some random youtube video, said my some short, slowly speaking black rapper guy. Lil' Wayne I think?)

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...but Christ, look at where Justin Bieber is <-> look at where I am (better not).
To be fair (and please understand, I literally hate this sort of music), Justin Bieber is a talented musician (even if he is just someone who got lucky). By your metric, you can claim he isn't, but let's be real: he can sing (carry a melody) very well; he can play an instrument; he can write (believe it or not, he did contribute writing to many of his tracks). What he did, people loved - as evidenced by his popularity, sales, and fanbase.

This may turn your stomach because you're not into that sort of music, but let's give credit where credit is due (as much as it pains me to say this).

And yeah, I hate his brand of "music" as well.
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I enjoy creating music, but I don't enjoy it if there's no-one to make it for.
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Different strokes for different folks but I would have stopped at "I enjoy creating music".
Who’s using the royal plural now baby? 🧂

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motuscott wrote:
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RobC wrote:
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I enjoy creating music, but I don't enjoy it if there's no-one to make it for.
Different strokes for different folks but I would have stopped at "I enjoy creating music".
Agreed. I literally only make music for myself. I mean, sure, if other people like it then it's certainly appreciated, but I practice the art because it makes me feel good. No other reason.
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EnochLight wrote:
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RobC wrote:
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...but Christ, look at where Justin Bieber is <-> look at where I am (better not).
To be fair (and please understand, I literally hate this sort of music), Justin Bieber is a talented musician (even if he is just someone who got lucky). By your metric, you can claim he isn't, but let's be real: he can sing (carry a melody) very well; he can play an instrument; he can write (believe it or not, he did contribute writing to many of his tracks). What he did, people loved - as evidenced by his popularity, sales, and fanbase.

This may turn your stomach because you're not into that sort of music, but let's give credit where credit is due (as much as it pains me to say this).

And yeah, I hate his brand of "music" as well.
Are you into politics?

Fitting episode (cartoons keep me from committing suicide, heh)


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I enjoy creating music, but I don't enjoy it if there's no-one to make it for.
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Different strokes for different folks but I would have stopped at "I enjoy creating music".
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I stop enjoying it, if there's no audience. No motivation. It's work too, in the end.

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Are you into politics?
Nope. Are you?
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EnochLight wrote:
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motuscott wrote:
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Different strokes for different folks but I would have stopped at "I enjoy creating music".
Agreed. I literally only make music for myself. I mean, sure, if other people like it then it's certainly appreciated, but I practice the art because it makes me feel good. No other reason.
You know, while I suck at communication and mess up technical terms, at least I reached a level by myself, that if I imagine something, I can create it all from scratch. Be it from writing lyrics, to ending with mastering the song, the way I imagined everything. I was dedicated day and night, because I planned to become somebody. The more I realize it won't happen thanks to how management works, the more I lean towards quitting entirely.

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EnochLight wrote:
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Are you into politics?
Nope. Are you?
...because you were way too diplomatic.
But yeah, it's said that the guy is quite the wolf in a sheep's clothing. Now, that's what you need to be in order to become #1.

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