Jazz Rant (Pissing on jazz)
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I love jazz. But if you don’t like then you don’t like it. I’m also a sax player so if I didn’t love jazz what would I have....?lol
What I really like is jazz that is pushing forward and not just rehashing the past. Some of the artists I think are doing this are Robert Glasper, Mark Guiliana, Esperanza Spalding.... (I’m sure there are some other huge ones I should be mentioning)
And yeah, if you are not into soloing then most jazz is probably not going to be your thing. Something I really enjoy though too is the way a band will lock in and groove together. Of course this can happen with all great musicians but there is something magical about the kind of energy present when this is happening. I really enjoy piano trios because of this. With a piano trio there is sort of an even playing field for everybody and it seems to kind of cause them to work together.
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What I really like is jazz that is pushing forward and not just rehashing the past. Some of the artists I think are doing this are Robert Glasper, Mark Guiliana, Esperanza Spalding.... (I’m sure there are some other huge ones I should be mentioning)
And yeah, if you are not into soloing then most jazz is probably not going to be your thing. Something I really enjoy though too is the way a band will lock in and groove together. Of course this can happen with all great musicians but there is something magical about the kind of energy present when this is happening. I really enjoy piano trios because of this. With a piano trio there is sort of an even playing field for everybody and it seems to kind of cause them to work together.
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That is the kind of Jazz that I like. Jazzy House. No idea if St Germain is considered Jazz, but to me it is. Such a tune.Reasonable man wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018Agree . Its Kinda hard to incorporate into popular music nowadays. I love the setting of classic old dudes in sharp suits and low voices playing trumpets and saxophone solos in the clubs though. What they're really saying is ' im mad ....take it or leave it'
I dont know if this technically can be called Jazz but boy does it still stand the test of time ... its one for dancing on a bar counter somewhere in Barcelona
What about this?
And how can we not list Snarky Puppy! Hard not to appreciate this if you're into musicianship.
Wow! Jazz has such a broad spectrum.
Some I hate (Dixie or Trad Jazz), smooth jazz.
Some I admire Big band, Be bopp, Swing.
Some I Love Avante Garde, Progressive and what used to be termed New Age but now seems to go under the banner of Contemporary or even ECM style/ECM third wave with artists such as Pat Metheny, Jan Garbarek, Chick Corea, Keith Jarret etc.
And then you have the amazing amount of Fusion genres; afro-jazz, jazz funk, acid Jazz.
My knowledge of music theory is poor and un-developed so I can't comment on structure, modes, scales, etc. What I do know is that certain types of jazz speak to me like no other music. The emotion and feeling they impart to me is absent in nearly all other types of music. For me, true jazz is experimental and has a direct line to my soul. As a person with limited emotional expression, jazz is to music, what F. Scott Fitzgerald is to literature and Luis Bunuel is to film making.
Damn! My heart veritably sings - often in an arrhythmic beats and sometimes in scat - but what a song.
Doobity doo wop. Boo baba loo. Shoobity doobity fucking doo!
Some I hate (Dixie or Trad Jazz), smooth jazz.
Some I admire Big band, Be bopp, Swing.
Some I Love Avante Garde, Progressive and what used to be termed New Age but now seems to go under the banner of Contemporary or even ECM style/ECM third wave with artists such as Pat Metheny, Jan Garbarek, Chick Corea, Keith Jarret etc.
And then you have the amazing amount of Fusion genres; afro-jazz, jazz funk, acid Jazz.
My knowledge of music theory is poor and un-developed so I can't comment on structure, modes, scales, etc. What I do know is that certain types of jazz speak to me like no other music. The emotion and feeling they impart to me is absent in nearly all other types of music. For me, true jazz is experimental and has a direct line to my soul. As a person with limited emotional expression, jazz is to music, what F. Scott Fitzgerald is to literature and Luis Bunuel is to film making.
Damn! My heart veritably sings - often in an arrhythmic beats and sometimes in scat - but what a song.
Doobity doo wop. Boo baba loo. Shoobity doobity fucking doo!
Have friends that play jazz and they call the metal music I listen to and play junk, but mostly all metal bands can play their songs identically the same every time and that is not so true with jazz artists I do love some jazz Mezzoforte has been one of my favorite bands a long time
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Well I'm glad the thread has taken a more positive turn after my whiny rant Maybe something useful came out of this thread after all.
I actually found some music here interesting while other bits reinforced my contempt for the genre Sometimes both happened in the same track depending on which part I listened to.
I actually found some music here interesting while other bits reinforced my contempt for the genre Sometimes both happened in the same track depending on which part I listened to.
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Swedish Jazz pianist icon Jan Johansson with the record "Jazz på svenska" (Jazz in Swedish). Swedish folk tunes. Recorded 1964. Instrumental.
My inner nordic melancholy loves the feel. But it is rather a feeling of being alone in nature a bit further north. Something not that common if living in a bigger citiy in the south, but this get one into the nordic nature mood really well. I tend to like the music that is a mixture of both Jazz way of improvisation and Classical music melodic structures. Folk music or Folk Jazz or whatever one might want to call it. All is just music.
My inner nordic melancholy loves the feel. But it is rather a feeling of being alone in nature a bit further north. Something not that common if living in a bigger citiy in the south, but this get one into the nordic nature mood really well. I tend to like the music that is a mixture of both Jazz way of improvisation and Classical music melodic structures. Folk music or Folk Jazz or whatever one might want to call it. All is just music.
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Your rant could be easily compared to someone's view of French cuisine and it's structure and technique leading to a taste that they don't enjoy. The techniques though are so important and can, and have, provided people with a foundation to go beyond what French food was and is.
I really enjoy jazz at times, but there aren't many major genres I don't have some interest in. Opera is one that comes to mind. It's like that line "There are only two kinds of music, and you only have to worry about playing one."
From the first jazz album I got into.
The way the horns play with the melody and are layered together is something that I will always find pleasing.
There is this gem of a live performance, and trust me I am not really a person who enjoys guitar anymore.
It is a little odd to critique jazz for the genre's song writing. There are standards that one will hear at any jazz festival, across the globe.
Nonetheless, keep on truckin', and diggin' what ever it is you do.
I really enjoy jazz at times, but there aren't many major genres I don't have some interest in. Opera is one that comes to mind. It's like that line "There are only two kinds of music, and you only have to worry about playing one."
From the first jazz album I got into.
The way the horns play with the melody and are layered together is something that I will always find pleasing.
There is this gem of a live performance, and trust me I am not really a person who enjoys guitar anymore.
It is a little odd to critique jazz for the genre's song writing. There are standards that one will hear at any jazz festival, across the globe.
Nonetheless, keep on truckin', and diggin' what ever it is you do.
Slow down...
Not - when you have a Jimi
Jimi vs. The Beetles
Not - when you have a Jimi
Jimi vs. The Beetles
From a D Cavett interview, I learned Jimi couldn't read music.
Nary a bit of difference that made.
Context: Jazz players are the 'BEST' on their instrument. ....Not when there's a Jimi.
"Jazz players are the best on their instrument. Can we agree on this? Improvisation is a skill I hold in high esteem, sightreading, not so much.
Of course I can do one and not the other
judge me, batch
at least we have Reason in common...
Right?"
Nary a bit of difference that made.
Context: Jazz players are the 'BEST' on their instrument. ....Not when there's a Jimi.
"Jazz players are the best on their instrument. Can we agree on this? Improvisation is a skill I hold in high esteem, sightreading, not so much.
Of course I can do one and not the other
judge me, batch
at least we have Reason in common...
Right?"
Easy Normen... no one ' sees the world as black and white'
...except maybe those saying.... JAZZ players are the BEST in their -.... that sounds like pretty FALSE black and white to me.
and AGAIN. Jimi proves it WRONG..... maybe that helps with the ' black and white' of 'jazz players are the best.. blah blah blah'
have a nice day, my man.
...except maybe those saying.... JAZZ players are the BEST in their -.... that sounds like pretty FALSE black and white to me.
and AGAIN. Jimi proves it WRONG..... maybe that helps with the ' black and white' of 'jazz players are the best.. blah blah blah'
have a nice day, my man.
Maybe it went past you or maybe I'm interpreting too much into his post - but imo he wasn't so much saying flat out that "jazz players are better than classical players" but going deeper and saying "if you just learn to read and play you still don't make a proper musician". Which is in itself arguable but I would agree, having experienced both people who can't read and make awesome music and those that can read and JUST do that without much personal expression. (And vice versa, it's not about the type of music)O1B wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018Easy Normen... no one ' sees the world as black and white'
...except maybe those saying.... JAZZ players are the BEST in their -.... that sounds like pretty FALSE black and white to me.
and AGAIN. Jimi proves it WRONG..... maybe that helps with the ' black and white' of 'jazz players are the best.. blah blah blah'
have a nice day, my man.
Edit: And btw, Jimis approach is MUCH more jazz than classical, can we agree on that?
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