Another bite out of the Apple...

[plaamook]

Anyone seens this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42455285

I have to say, I stopped updating pretty much fucking anyhitng. iPhone especially. If you've got a phone that is 2 gen behind the current model you basically cant update anyhting anymore. Gotta check all app updates for compatability, etc.

Don't know if OSX is that bad but I don't take chances there either any more. If shit works I don't touch it and that's sad when I think of what it was like 10 yr ago.

[normen]

You read that wrong. Its not that they slow down the phone with updates, they slow down the phone when the battery has low overall capacity so the phone doesn't suddenly turn off (possibly resulting in data loss). Additionally the phone runs longer that it normally would with the old battery.

[plaamook]

That's what Apple has replied with anyway...

[normen]

They could definitely be more open about it. Anyway a new battery for your iPhone costs 20€ on eBay, including the tools to open the phone - so thats how you can circumvent that issue altogether

[demt]

its gonna catch fire increases its usefulness

[Marco Raaphorst]

I have had the issue that when battery drops lower than 50% the iPhone shuts down. It's solved in iOS but not it seems that this is cause by a bad batery of Apple. have had that issue a few months after I got it. friend of mine had his battery replaced.

weird stuff.

[stratatonic]

You read that wrong. Its not that they slow down the phone with updates, they slow down the phone when the battery has low overall capacity so the phone doesn't suddenly turn off (possibly resulting in data loss). Additionally the phone runs longer that it normally would with the old battery.

They should give users the option of throttling - with a warning of what could possibly happen if you don't.

They could definitely be more open about it. Anyway a new battery for your iPhone costs 20€ on eBay, including the tools to open the phone - so thats how you can circumvent that issue altogether

iFixit teardown pegs the iPhone battery swap as moderate difficulty - between 30 minutes and two hours. (Be sure you have a microwave handy for step 2):

Your average user won't do this swap - even with a woman with a mellifluous voice guiding you along. To Apple you go - $79 plus shipping & taxes.
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Not that swapping out the latest Samsung is any easier....went from a 1-2 minute swap to 45 min - 1 hour

[normen]

Well okay I‘m an engineer and used to doing such stuff but it really isn‘t that big of a deal. I did it 4 times on iPhone 5 models and two times with 6 models, never had any issues. If you know how to hold a screwdriver and have a basic idea on how forces propagate when you pull or push stuff you should be completely fine.

Yeah an option would be cool but did Apple ever litter its configuration panels with options?

[FlowerSoldier]

Thought I'd chime in.
The macOS updates are actually worse.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/ma ... in-access/
My Mac is going to stay on 10.11 High Sierra till the wheels fall off.

[selig]

Thought I'd chime in.
The macOS updates are actually worse.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/28/ma ... in-access/
My Mac is going to stay on 10.11 High Sierra till the wheels fall off.

Fixed in less than 24 hours - which is why I’m a happy Apple camper!



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[bama]

Mac os isn‘t that bad in my opinion, but ios has gone nuts, especially with lots of apps getting senseless updates every 2 weeks “to enhance user experience“.
Yeah right.
Sometimes after a ten hour flight, there‘s 12 to 16 updates waiting, and afterwards when you check the app, nothing visible has changed.
Companies seem to think you have to keep treating your app like some sick tamagotchi, so customers think you‘re proactive.
Put out something that works, and then leave it alone until you have something that really makes it better.

[Marco Raaphorst]

Always in beta...

[theshoemaker]

I'm normally not holding back that long for mac updates or iPhone. Still it appeared waiting till the .0.3 point release at least for an iPhone to be a smart choice. Still not jumping onto the high sierra upgrade path because of the APFS introduction and some other things I need for my development environment

[etyrnal]

Anyone seens this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42455285

I have to say, I stopped updating pretty much fucking anyhitng. iPhone especially. If you've got a phone that is 2 gen behind the current model you basically cant update anyhting anymore. Gotta check all app updates for compatability, etc.

Don't know if OSX is that bad but I don't take chances there either any more. If shit works I don't touch it and that's sad when I think of what it was like 10 yr ago.

I'm the same way once I get a stable working environment I lock it down and don't touch it for 5 plus years. Every time you get a good functional working environment you should freeze everything and just keep working with it. The minute you upgrade an operating system you're risking losing up to half of your productive working applications. Because developers don't stick around forever, that favorite app that you're using on your current operating system, when the next operating system comes out, it's not going to be compatible with it, because they've tried to push the envelope continuously, and that developer is no longer in business, so that favorite piece of software of yours is going to disappear forever, and no one is going to be able to replicate it, because they had patents on it that out live the hardware, so no one else can even come along and try to recreate it. I've always hated intellectual property nonsense for this reason. And for other reasons. I've lost way too many totally awesome pieces of software because technology is intentionally obsoleting old functionality, and not providing a way to move it forward.

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[plaamook]

I've lost way too many totally awesome pieces of software because technology is intentionally obsoleting old functionality, and not providing a way to move it forward.

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Thing is you can lose bloody HARDWEAR like that now too!!!

[etyrnal]

I've lost way too many totally awesome pieces of software because technology is intentionally obsoleting old functionality, and not providing a way to move it forward.

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Thing is you can lose bloody HARDWEAR like that now too!!!

I have... And hardware with good specs too!

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[tronam]

You read that wrong. Its not that they slow down the phone with updates, they slow down the phone when the battery has low overall capacity so the phone doesn't suddenly turn off (possibly resulting in data loss). Additionally the phone runs longer that it normally would with the old battery.

At about the 3.5-4 year mark my iPhone 4S started doing that; sudden shutdowns at about 30%. Apparently aging batteries can have a difficult time maintaining peak current, regardless of the reduced capacity over time. This also helps to explain why Apple keeps including conservative 5W chargers. Fast charging accelerates the aging process. It seems there’s always some kind of sacrifice between convenience and longevity.

[FlowerSoldier]

Ummmm.....more bad news out of Cupertino.
This isn't how updates are supposed to work.
It's pretty obvious Apple is in a downward spiral...hard to believe how anyone could disagree.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8101384

[joeyluck]

Ummmm.....more bad news out of Cupertino.
This isn't how updates are supposed to work.
It's pretty obvious Apple is in a downward spiral...hard to believe how anyone could disagree.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8101384

Weird. I'm on the latest version of macOS on a MacBook Air with no issues...
But everybody experiences different bugs with different software and operating systems. Who knows what the culprit is with only a few reports.

[FlowerSoldier]

Ummmm.....more bad news out of Cupertino.
This isn't how updates are supposed to work.
It's pretty obvious Apple is in a downward spiral...hard to believe how anyone could disagree.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8101384

Weird. I'm on the latest version of macOS on a MacBook Air with no issues...
But everybody experiences different bugs with different software and operating systems. Who knows what the culprit is with only a few reports.

I was thinking about this earlier. I think it has to do with how Apple has begun shipping so many different versions of it's hardware. They used to be dependable machines when all their hardware was homogenized, but now they offer many different specs of the same models.
It seems like they're not doing very rigorous QC, or they've become incredibly complacent.
If they don't have a "come to Jesus" moment soon, I think their reputation for quality is going to suffer, if it hasn't already begun.

[hurricane]

Logic is awesome though. They could never update it again EVER and it would still be awesome.

[plaamook]

I was thinking about this earlier. I think it has to do with how Apple has begun shipping so many different versions of it's hardware. They used to be dependable machines when all their hardware was homogenized, but now they offer many different specs of the same models.
It seems like they're not doing very rigorous QC, or they've become incredibly complacent.
If they don't have a "come to Jesus" moment soon, I think their reputation for quality is going to suffer, if it hasn't already begun.

Remember when everything was straight and streamlined? You had a charger, and adapter, a proprietary usb cable. Forgot something? Just borrow one from a friend. I used to laugh at all the crap the various different companies made for all thier phones and computers and so on. Now it seems totally reversed. Apple has made thier own environment a tangled mess of incompatable shit. I think anny attempt at makeing more 'innovation' is only going to add to the problem. They've lost their way.

[joeyluck]

I was thinking about this earlier. I think it has to do with how Apple has begun shipping so many different versions of it's hardware. They used to be dependable machines when all their hardware was homogenized, but now they offer many different specs of the same models.
It seems like they're not doing very rigorous QC, or they've become incredibly complacent.
If they don't have a "come to Jesus" moment soon, I think their reputation for quality is going to suffer, if it hasn't already begun.

Remember when everything was straight and streamlined? You had a charger, and adapter, a proprietary usb cable. Forgot something? Just borrow one from a friend. I used to laugh at all the crap the various different companies made for all thier phones and computers and so on. Now it seems totally reversed. Apple has made thier own environment a tangled mess of incompatable shit. I think anny attempt at makeing more 'innovation' is only going to add to the problem. They've lost their way.

Well, while I decided to go with a MacBook Air for my last purchase for a few reasons; best battery life, good enough display for me (probably a factor in the exceptional battery life), enough processing power for me, and I'm not a fan of the USB type C only approach on the Pros... That however is actually more streamlined on their end. Same connection for charging computer, connecting peripherals, charging phone, etc. If and when the rest of the industry catches on, I'll be on board. But I'm not terribly motivated to be one of those early adopters to try to help it along while juggling a ton of dongles in the meantime.

[plaamook]

Remember when everything was straight and streamlined? You had a charger, and adapter, a proprietary usb cable. Forgot something? Just borrow one from a friend. I used to laugh at all the crap the various different companies made for all thier phones and computers and so on. Now it seems totally reversed. Apple has made thier own environment a tangled mess of incompatable shit. I think anny attempt at makeing more 'innovation' is only going to add to the problem. They've lost their way.

Well, while I decided to go with a MacBook Air for my last purchase for a few reasons; best battery life, good enough display for me (probably a factor in the exceptional battery life), enough processing power for me, and I'm not a fan of the USB type C only approach on the Pros... That however is actually more streamlined on their end. Same connection for charging computer, connecting peripherals, charging phone, etc. If and when the rest of the industry catches on, I'll be on board. But I'm not terribly motivated to be one of those early adopters to try to help it along while juggling a ton of dongles in the meantime.

I agree but I'm not convinced it'll level off for any substantial amount of time.
Look at all the thunderbolt shenanigans.
If they're trying to draw a line under it all w USB C then good luck and we'll see how it goes but till I see some stability I'm not going anywhere near it unless I have to for whatever reason.

[plaamook]

So I've updated shit due to this supposed security probelm and you know what? I was right. High Sierra is slower that Sierra and IOS 11 (coming from IOS9) is complete shit with loads of functionality removed and nothing added.

So this is my new theory.

In a landscape where constant 'innovation' is required in order to keep the fuckheads entertained and the money rolling in for your tech company changes have to be made even if they are regressive and cause problems because the illusion of constant progress must be maintained at all costs. This way when the probelms are fixed everone will cheer and spend more money just because things work properly again.

My assumption is that whatever version of ios that doesn't suck any more will not be compatable with whatever hardware version doesn't suck ie. things with headphone jacks and so on.

I don't use tapatalk but I'm going to follow Selig on this one and add a little tag on all my communications stating that it has been sent on a now shitty device.

So it goes...