Are you in control of your own thoughts, actions and decisions?

[motuscott]

Me and Dusty will meet you at the bar.

[avasopht]

The age of the universe is around 13.78 billion years, according to wikipedia.
How old is our consciousness? Was it a spontaneous birth Just around the time our brain got big enough maybe? So less than 60000 years max? Maybe more?

Do you honestly think that only humans have a subjective conscious experience? And only in the last 60,000 years?

[plaamook]

if you think all animals are conscious...and I do for some stupid reason

I'll see you and raise you one,
All objects have a life force.

I have tooks many LSDs and have had almost 67 years to think it over...
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Define life force

[avasopht]

I'll see you and raise you one,
All objects have a life force.

I have tooks many LSDs and have had almost 67 years to think it over...
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

But whom is the one the story is being told to? And who is the one writing and telling the story?

Those are the questions we need answers for 🤯

[motuscott]

Define life force

Up to yer olde semantics, are Ye?

[motuscott]

It's a feeling of acceptance
I have some essential oils to sell you BTW

[motuscott]

Crystal much? My snurdfrocked brethren?
Text me, you magnificent mofo

[motuscott]

Sale ends 2022.8.yestertomorrow

[motuscott]

But whom is the one the story is being told to? And who is the one writing and telling the story?
Those are the questions we need answers for 🤯

Well me.
It's a little late for apologizing for livin' all up inside this flesh taxi of emotion and now sick/ now not sick beingness

[motuscott]

Still, crazy ride. Amirite?

[bxbrkrz]

The age of the universe is around 13.78 billion years, according to wikipedia.
How old is our consciousness? Was it a spontaneous birth Just around the time our brain got big enough maybe? So less than 60000 years max? Maybe more?

Do you honestly think that only humans have a subjective conscious experience? And only in the last 60,000 years?

Answering questions with other questions. The never ending quest for Free Will-y...
A sequoia has a subjective conscious experience, but lasting thousand of years. A fruit fly has a subjective conscious experience, but lasting only a week. Both possible, and as valid of an experience as ours. But we don't know that, only poets do.

[plaamook]

Define life force

Up to yer olde semantics, are Ye?

I just wanna know what I’m replying to.
Life force is a bit vague.

[motuscott]

Life force is a bit vague.

Yes it is
My point, exactly

[plaamook]

Life force is a bit vague.

Yes it is
My point, exactly

In that case, I agree. Everything is made out of energy. It’s just that life forms retain it and manipulate it more than rocks.

[motuscott]

In summary I would say,
Be true to your school.
That Brian Wilson, heavy...

[Overtherainbow]

https://mindmatters.ai/2019/02/but-is-determinism-true/

[plaamook]

But here’s the rub.
If you want to take quantum randomness into account then the person who has the free will is also subject to randomness and at that point you no longer have free will.
If my ‘self’ isn’t a stable solid entity...who or what is making the decisions?

[avasopht]

But here’s the rub.
If you want to take quantum randomness into account then the person who has the free will is also subject to randomness and at that point you no longer have free will.
If my ‘self’ isn’t a stable solid entity...who or what is making the decisions?

Exactly.

It also ignores that we still witness, create and rely on largely deterministic behaviour. Your computer is one of them.

And while our CPUs and RAM are vulnerable to cosmic rays, their effects are extremely rare (plus are able to make these occurrences astronomically rare with schemes such as error correction or replicating the operations).

Just imagine how insane life would be if every decision you made or action you took could be intercepted by quantum randomness??

[plaamook]

It’s all about tools for the job. Newtonian equations are all you need to build a house. Etc.
It’s also about scaling. At the scale we love our lives at and experience decision making you don’t need to take quantum randomness into consideration. You just order a beer at the pub. It’s not until you start meddling with things on a different level that such things as determinism come into account.

[fullforce]

I've been lazy as fuck the last few days so yeah.