Are you in control of your own thoughts, actions and decisions?

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26 Aug 2017

Interesting observations about Cypher. If Cypher appears in a scene in a particular way it had a reason. Really does show the amount of detail that goes into a movie!

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26 Aug 2017

siln wrote:selig , i see yu as a lovely actor/contributor of the rt forum , but as i said , you cant think if you dont know that what you are processing is called "thinking" , mybe you are swouging or some other concept we arent aware oif , but if you dont apply to the word thinking then you are not thinking , may you ar ethijin ot wanghin or idk but nothing close as thinking which is a Word
Thanks? I was talking about a coin toss, not making any comment on the 'thinking' thread.

We are, therefore we think.

You can't talk if you don't know that what you are saying is talking?


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27 Aug 2017

An interesting discussion between a scientist and a mystic:


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28 Aug 2017

jappe wrote:
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An interesting discussion between a scientist and a mystic:
This could be interesting :thumbs_up:

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CaliforniaBurrito wrote:
24 Aug 2017
pacorobles wrote:
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Nope. I have to eat so I'm forced to work. I have to work so I have to look, talk and think like a good candidate for the position and get the job.
Self-moderation and adjusting to circumstances can be perceived as being in control. :)
I'm not entirely sure I understand of what exactly would we be under control . Rather, we are under an outdated social order.
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pacorobles wrote:
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I'm not entirely sure I understand of what exactly would we be under control . Rather, we are under an outdated social order.
Amen. You win the thread. :thumbs_up:

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selig wrote:
26 Aug 2017
siln wrote:selig , i see yu as a lovely actor/contributor of the rt forum , but as i said , you cant think if you dont know that what you are processing is called "thinking" , mybe you are swouging or some other concept we arent aware oif , but if you dont apply to the word thinking then you are not thinking , may you ar ethijin ot wanghin or idk but nothing close as thinking which is a Word
Thanks? I was talking about a coin toss, not making any comment on the 'thinking' thread.

We are, therefore we think.

You can't talk if you don't know that what you are saying is talking?


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sry , you can express words than someone would identify as talking , but maybe your doing something else
selig wrote:
25 Aug 2017
As to the coin toss being random or deterministic - I would think that once the coin has left your hand, the result is 100% determined. However, BEFORE it leaves your hand, there is a 50/50 chance either way. So in this way, it is BOTH. FWIW.

BTW, I see no arrogance in making assumptions about the way the universe works.



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I like it , it relates to the Law f large numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

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I don't see how you need to know the word thinking to think, or the word talking to talk. You can do something without having a word for it.

If you are playing a scale, you are playing a scale whether you know the word "scale" or not. I don't see why someone would argue otherwise. There just isn't a strong case for it.

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avasopht wrote:
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I don't see how you need to know the word thinking to think, or the word talking to talk. You can do something without having a word for it.

If you are playing a scale, you are playing a scale whether you know the word "scale" or not. I don't see why someone would argue otherwise. There just isn't a strong case for it.
Others would identify it as thinking , or as anything else
if you are lucky ppl identify you as talking but sometimes they can think otherwise,
but lets think you trying something more ambitious than just talking , expressing words in a different way , well ppl will still relate it as talking if they dont know that you are trying something more complicated

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01 Sep 2017

just spreading the idea that words are labels which limits any potentials , let s say your girlfriend is talking to you , maybe she trying to do something futrther just talking , but we dont have words for anything

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24 Aug 2020

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25 Aug 2020

Wow, some interesting discussion here. This is my take, I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if I repeat points made by anyone else.

Of course we all make choices and decisions constantly and most of them certainly feel like free choices.

However what we are, this entity that is making the choices, is simply the combination of our genes, environment and most of all our entire history of experiences.

If you accept basic principles of cause and effect then logically every choice we make is the only choice that we could have made at that time. An entity with slightly different experiences may have made a slightly (or dramatically) different choice but that entity is not us.

While we can map the human genome the multitude of variations of experience that happen in an individual life is of course incalculable, but if it could somehow be calculated one day through some kind of crazy quantum computing then we could perhaps predict human behaviour with absolute certainty.

So although impossible to prove empirically (yet) there are strong logical indications that free will is an illusion.

It is however an entirely necessary illusion in my opinion.

If we were actually to live our lives as if we had no free will and believed that everything was predetermined I think we would quickly descend into nihilism and despair.


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27 Aug 2020

Nope, I'm a slave to my habits and tastes which were hardened decades ago and influence every thought or decision I make. If I had to objectively consider all available options for everything I did, life would come to a screeching halt and I'd be utterly useless. I came to terms with this many years ago though after realizing, even when I was very young, that I can't consciously control what makes me genuinely laugh. The same types of unconscious patterns and associations that dictate that raw response guides every single decision I think I'm "freely" making. It's okay. It's fine. I'm totally fine with it. I'm fine with it alright!
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28 Aug 2020

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol::exclamation: :thumbs_up:
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maybe it's proof that I have a free will because choose not to watch the video
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gullum wrote:
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maybe it's proof that I have a free will because choose not to watch the video
Quite the opposite, as was explained in the video :roll:

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avasopht wrote:
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gullum wrote:
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maybe it's proof that I have a free will because choose not to watch the video
Quite the opposite, as was explained in the video :roll:
then I guess I will never know

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31 Aug 2020

gullum wrote:
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avasopht wrote:
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Quite the opposite, as was explained in the video :roll:
then I guess I will never know
:lol: me either :puf_bigsmile:
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avasopht wrote:
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mr sapolsky needs to dig waaaay deeper than this if he wants to prove there is no free will. he just presents some rough hints and ideas, labeling everything "biology" without explaining what really happens. other neuroscientists have tried this way harder in the last 50 years and never made a convincing breakthrough when it came to dialogue with other sciences like psychology or philosophy.


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02 Sep 2020

heyhey,

is suicide free will
that would be a killer

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02 Sep 2020

super late to the party, which is weird, because I love this stuff...

anyhoo, I agree with the end determination he comes to, but I think this is one of the weakest arguments for why willpower is a myth. there are some easy holes in his argument that could be used to argue against him (how does such a pre-deterministic view explain quantum randomness, for example?). makes sense seeing as it sounds like he comes from a biological research background, that he would arrive at that determination through a biological lens, but there are other more elegant ways to get there, for sure.

time is an illusion, for example. it stands to reason that anything that results from time is also an illusion, thus free will is illusory.

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stopify96 wrote:
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guitfnky wrote:
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super late to the party, which is weird, because I love this stuff...

anyhoo, I agree with the end determination he comes to, but I think this is one of the weakest arguments for why willpower is a myth. there are some easy holes in his argument that could be used to argue against him (how does such a pre-deterministic view explain quantum randomness, for example?). makes sense seeing as it sounds like he comes from a biological research background, that he would arrive at that determination through a biological lens, but there are other more elegant ways to get there, for sure.

time is an illusion, for example. it stands to reason that anything that results from time is also an illusion, thus free will is illusory.

That Guy is as incoherent as Ryan trying to explain a New reason Synth
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02 Sep 2020

hello,

@stopify96:
you wouldn't be friends with sefnitty or samsome would you?
just curious
if you put a gun in your hand and pulled the trigger
would it be an illusion of time
or your biology that is responsible

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05 Sep 2020

A) Does anyone know what it our average (across cultures and environmental impacts throughout eons) built in latency? From the first spark in our mind, to action. What can we do to reduce it, or eliminate it?

B) What is Inspiration?

C) Can you hear you inner voice? Do you have an inner voice?

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