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As the forum is more like "Dude you have to buy this new VST" than "Dude you have to try modulating this parameter" lately and the new layout doesn't keep me in a "Reasontalk bubble" anymore with its ads and article links I think I'll stay away for a while and use my time otherwise.

Cheers to all you Reasonheads out there, maybe I'll check in after summer to see if theres more Reason again (pun intended ).

You were one of the sane ones, normen.
Come back soon

That is very sad news, I will miss your knowledge and your discussions with Selig.
But I can understand your point, I hope Reasontalk will focus on Reason again after the VST news has settled.

That's a shame. I don't like the new site either.

I have to agree, not a fan of the new layout either.

And that's a shame Normen, hope you find your Reason to return.,

I just thought doing the same, i miss the better overview of new replies in the old forum. Also the bunch of crap and full size ads are annoying. Change everything that works is not always the best idea... See you in an other forum...

Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too many of the old guard are leaving and they are generally the most knowledgeable ones on the site.
This is becoming a rather disturbing trend.

These are the guys that teach you how to do the basics and how to build things instead of always buying something you don't need if you can create from existing equipment... (I know, not a sound business sensibility...)

One of the main reasons I joined this forum was to learn from these people who have much more experience than I do.
I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority here...

I find that I have to wade into insulting comments and people showing a basic lack of respect to each other in order to find the information I want and frankly, it wears me out. I understand that everyone has their respective opinions and thoughts, but come on! When I continually have to read through 20 lines of crap in to find the 2 lines of what I'm looking for it gets old...

Good luck Normen, I hope you will come back once the dust settles... I learned a lot from you.

New site is far from perfect and lots of VST talk. But I'm staying!!! Hope you'll come back soon Norman.


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No offence intended but please don't leave for such poor reasons. We as a community did so well to stick together after being booted out of our home. This IS the place to be and if we start disbanding we are going to end up with parts of the original community all over the place. If you are just taking a break then good for you, but be sure to come back.

I really don't know what to say.

When I started using reason right about the time the first version of this was around, it was great for the most part. But things change.

Ad's and a slew of new mods usually doesn't bode well imho.

gak wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2017

I really don't know what to say.

When I started using reason right about the time the first version of this was around, it was great for the most part. But things change.

Ad's and a slew of new mods usually doesn't bode well imho.

Just for the record... The current mod team is the same mod team since December. Clearly we need enough mods to keep up

Oh ffs,

Anyways, maybe I should stroll along too. It is getting awfully kvr/gs.

summertime

Wow.
I haven't been trolling here for a couple weeks.
I wasn't surprised to see ads, I remember some previous discussion about it.

Didn't know about the new admins.
Now I see lots of folks leaving, or at least talking about it.
Wonder if anyone is listening.

Where is everyone going? Reddit? http://www.reasonforums.com/? ReasonExperts?
Can I come too?
I promise I won't troll...too much.

gak wrote:I really don't know what to say.

When I started using reason right about the time the first version of this was around, it was great for the most part. But things change.

Ad's and a slew of new mods usually doesn't bode well imho.

This is one of the negative effects of democracy. Originally you had the propellerhead reason ecosystem and all the reason people that loved it. But then when you open it up 2 VST, you opened it up to all sorts of people who come from all sorts of other Daws. that means that there's a good potential for non propellerhead reason users to flood into the user base. That means that anybody who was using any other kind of Daw and who are using vsts are going to all start whining and complaining and voting to get things that they want them to be, and the original propellerhead reason fan base will become the minority will be phased out. Then all of the amazingness that is propellerheads reason will become diluted into something else. Plain vanilla. No flavors. Generic. Pretty soon people will start complaining about basic reason paradigms.

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I'm not sure to understand the comparison with democracy.
You're artificially building a "we" against a "them" that is coming from nowhere. Do you really believe nobody was complaining on anything before "they" flooded the board?

etyrnal wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2017

This is one of the negative effects of democracy. Originally you had the propellerhead reason ecosystem and all the reason people that loved it. But then when you open it up 2 VST, you opened it up to all sorts of people who come from all sorts of other Daws. that means that there's a good potential for non-believers to flood into the user base.

FTFY.

Pinkbox wrote:I'm not sure to understand the comparison with democracy.
You're artificially building a "we" against a "them" that is coming from nowhere. Do you really believe nobody was complaining on anything before "they" flooded the board?

You don't think user requests shape the future of the software?



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Pinkbox wrote:I'm not sure to understand the comparison with democracy.
You're artificially building a "we" against a "them" that is coming from nowhere. Do you really believe nobody was complaining on anything before "they" flooded the board?

There's nothing artificial about recognizing the fact that Reason's paradigm is different from basically every other digital audio workstation on the market. So the artificial Us and Them is, people who have used reason since the beginning, and very much appreciate the specific Reason way of doing things. There are many many people who have stayed away from reason because reason did not incorporate the VST model. Those people who have stayed away from a reason because it did not incorporate vsts, are all used to other digital audio workstations. When people get used to the Paradigm of another software or operating system, and they switch to a different software or operating system, they are always hoping and wishing that the software that they switched to will work and function in a number of the ways that their old software worked. Not because it's better, but because they are used to it. So if the already existing user base, is fairly happy with the way things work, they are not sending emails to propellerhead, or commenting in forums that they want change, they just remain essentially quiet because they're satisfied. But when there is a flood of incoming new users who are wishing and hoping that reason would do things the way that their other digital audio workstation did things they start emailing propellerheads requesting features asking for changes and wishing that reason would function in a lot of the ways their old digital audio workstation did. That is a whole lot of votes for change to Reason.

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Well... at some point, let's say some months ago, a lot of people using reason were complaining and fighting about the props not bringing VSTs into reason. And even before that, I remember quite a mess on the PUF (on various topics).
You did not really answer my question but at least we agreed it has not much to do with democracy.

I'm leaving here because I discover sadly that Reason has a "sound" no more... [emoji23]( I'm joking...)

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Karim wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2017

I'm leaving here because I discover sadly that Reason has a "sound" no more... [emoji23]( I'm joking...)

See you all in winter to talk about seasonal depression (jk)

normen wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2017

As the forum is more like "Dude you have to buy this new VST" than "Dude you have to try modulating this parameter" lately ....

...says the guy adding to the VST noize...
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Oh you guys xD

I guess I'll miss you crazy lot soon enough