On the responsibility of artists.

[Olivier]

Keep your money. Many a shitty attitude has been covered by polite words.

After giving me a dismissive line about how I was "caviling" - that my arguments were trivial or frivolous - and having you state you weren't responding to me anymore, I then come to find out that in another thread you claimed to have been laying low so that someone who was caviling would think the thread was dead or something to that effect. EnochLight thought for a moment you were talking about him, but we both know better.

So if you have so little regard for me or my arguments that you actually want to hide threads from me, well, whatever, but don't then pretend to innocence when I treat you with the level of civility that kind of bullshit deserves - and don't expect me to just roll out the welcome mat to you when you sashay into my own threads. I'd prefer it if you left them alone, completely and immediately.

Listening to this Klaus Nomi song while reading your epic rant, sorry in advance (it's a compliment btw):

Really though, l don't get your wrath, l was actually supporting your OP btw.

This sort of stuff doesn't help the thread along. Please don't.

[bxbrkrz]

Is propaganda an art form if created "responsibly"?

[platzangst]

Is propaganda an art form if created "responsibly"?

Let's assume for the moment that this is a serious question and not a throwaway quip.

Propaganda isn't in itself an art form, but it can certainly be transmitted through forms of art. Images, movies, music, and so on, all have (obviously) been used as types of propaganda.

So what defines "responsible" in such a case would depend a lot on what side you're on. Someone supporting an authoritative state might think it perfectly responsible to make posters urging cooperation and obedience to that state. Another person might feel a duty to resist and place posters urging rebellion and dissent.

But any such responsibilities are chosen by the artist, because of the artist's own views (or perhaps they are commanded by the state). No responsibility is inherent in art itself, but can only be imposed on it by personal opinion.

[bxbrkrz]

Is propaganda an art form if created "responsibly"?

Let's assume for the moment that this is a serious question and not a throwaway quip.

Propaganda isn't in itself an art form, but it can certainly be transmitted through forms of art. Images, movies, music, and so on, all have (obviously) been used as types of propaganda.

So what defines "responsible" in such a case would depend a lot on what side you're on. Someone supporting an authoritative state might think it perfectly responsible to make posters urging cooperation and obedience to that state. Another person might feel a duty to resist and place posters urging rebellion and dissent.

But any such responsibilities are chosen by the artist, because of the artist's own views (or perhaps they are commanded by the state). No responsibility is inherent in art itself, but can only be imposed on it by personal opinion.

If an "artist" tells me I have to be "responsible with my creativity", then a force is applied to my muse. My art ceases to exist. It is not the responsibility of an artist to tell another artist to create responsibly. This should be coming from a non artistic entity like the state. An "artist" telling another artist to watch out is an enforcer (of state, religion, etc).

[platzangst]

If an "artist" tells me I have to be "responsible with my creativity", then a force is applied to my muse. My art ceases to exist. It is not the responsibility of an artist to tell another artist to create responsibly. This should be coming from a non artistic entity like the state. An "artist" telling another artist to watch out is an enforcer (of state, religion, etc).

I mostly agree. Except, of course, that you can tell the other artist to get lost, and thus there is no force involved unless you permit it.

[bxbrkrz]

If an "artist" tells me I have to be "responsible with my creativity", then a force is applied to my muse. My art ceases to exist. It is not the responsibility of an artist to tell another artist to create responsibly. This should be coming from a non artistic entity like the state. An "artist" telling another artist to watch out is an enforcer (of state, religion, etc).

I mostly agree. Except, of course, that you can tell the other artist to get lost, and thus there is no force involved unless you permit it.

But by telling other artists to get lost I become an enforcer just like them.

[platzangst]

But by telling other artists to get lost I become an enforcer just like them.

Well, if that's the rabbit hole you want to go down, then we're all enforcers and there is no art, or whatever.

[bxbrkrz]

But by telling other artists to get lost I become an enforcer just like them.

Well, if that's the rabbit hole you want to go down, then we're all enforcers and there is no art, or whatever.

A propos,
Sargon of Akkad's video #PewDiePieDidNothingWrong on youtube.

[platzangst]

A propos,
Sargon of Akkad's video #PewDiePieDidNothingWrong on youtube.

These words do not mean anything to me.

[siln]

whatever you have/want to express; express it well, in an artistic manner that involve most of the times technics (that is the rabbit hole) , and you would be an artist
then the involvment in the technical side would become your moral shield
some abuses ; in advertisment company for example
it hurts your mind but still better than someone throwing a knife in your back (physically)