AI - Cheating or just evolution?

[bxbrkrz]

From around 10:40 onward
Creepy stuff.

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1960: "I am Spartacus!"
2024: "I am Netflix!"

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[jappe]

https://youtu.be/lV29EASsoUY

AI inbreeding is an interesting topic.
It'll take long time before it'll have a real impact.
I don't see corporations being the ones who will mitigate it, they want short term ROI. Unless they come together for the common future good and do something strategic about it?

Anyways, on the good side there would still be use for elite human content creators who can generate sufficiently good training input.
New job role, Creative Content Perfectionist

[bxbrkrz]

https://youtu.be/lV29EASsoUY

AI inbreeding is an interesting topic.
It'll take long time before it'll have a real impact.
I don't see corporations being the ones who will mitigate it, they want short term ROI. Unless they come together for the common future good and do something strategic about it?

Anyways, on the good side there would still be use for elite human content creators who can generate sufficiently good training input.
New job role, Creative Content Perfectionist

I feel the exact opposite. Not perfection. AI needs more strange and bizarre humans, not the well educated ones belonging to the predictable and boring elite class.

"Florida man" would be a much more useful dataset because of the randomness behavior of the meme.


Ask Grok 2 (mini)

The Florida man meme with examples

The "Florida Man" meme has become a cultural phenomenon, often highlighting bizarre, humorous, or outrageous news stories involving individuals from Florida. Here are some examples that encapsulate the spirit of the meme:

Florida Man Tries to Steal Police Car While Wearing Ankle Monitor - This story captures the audacity and often self-defeating behavior that Florida Man is known for. The individual, already under some form of legal supervision, thought it was a good idea to attempt to steal a police car, which of course, was easily traced back to him due to his ankle monitor.

Florida Man Wins Election for Mayor of Small Town After Campaigning on a Platform of Free Beer - This example plays into the whimsical and sometimes absurd political landscape that can be found in Florida. The candidate promised free beer to voters, which, surprisingly, resonated with enough people to secure him the win.

Florida Man Uses Alligator to Rob Liquor Store - This story combines Florida's wildlife with criminal mischief. A man reportedly entered a liquor store with an alligator, demanding alcohol, which is both dangerous and bizarre enough to make headlines.

Florida Man Fights Imaginary People in Walmart - This incident involves a man in a Walmart who was seen engaging in a physical altercation with invisible opponents, showcasing the sometimes inexplicable behavior that Florida Man stories often involve.

Florida Man Sets Record for Longest Time Spent Living in an Airport - While not criminal, this story highlights the eccentric side of Florida Man, where someone decided to live in an airport for an extended period, perhaps for the novelty or out of necessity, setting a peculiar record.

Florida Man Catches Record-Breaking Giant Goldfish in Local Pond - This story taps into the larger-than-life aspect of Florida, where even the fish seem to grow to monstrous sizes, leading to tales of adventure and local pride.

The "Florida Man" meme often plays on the stereotype of Floridians as being more eccentric or prone to wild behavior, which might be attributed to the state's diverse population, unique laws, or simply the sheer volume of news coming out of a large state. These stories are usually sourced from actual news reports, which are then shared online for their entertainment value, often with a humorous twist or exaggeration for effect.

[jappe]

AI inbreeding is an interesting topic.
It'll take long time before it'll have a real impact.
I don't see corporations being the ones who will mitigate it, they want short term ROI. Unless they come together for the common future good and do something strategic about it?

Anyways, on the good side there would still be use for elite human content creators who can generate sufficiently good training input.
New job role, Creative Content Perfectionist

I feel the exact opposite. Not perfection. AI needs more strange and bizarre humans, not the well educated ones belonging to the predictable and boring elite class.

"Florida man" would be a much more useful dataset because of the randomness behavior of the meme.


Ask Grok 2 (mini)

The Florida man meme with examples

The "Florida Man" meme has become a cultural phenomenon, often highlighting bizarre, humorous, or outrageous news stories involving individuals from Florida. Here are some examples that encapsulate the spirit of the meme:

Florida Man Tries to Steal Police Car While Wearing Ankle Monitor - This story captures the audacity and often self-defeating behavior that Florida Man is known for. The individual, already under some form of legal supervision, thought it was a good idea to attempt to steal a police car, which of course, was easily traced back to him due to his ankle monitor.

Florida Man Wins Election for Mayor of Small Town After Campaigning on a Platform of Free Beer - This example plays into the whimsical and sometimes absurd political landscape that can be found in Florida. The candidate promised free beer to voters, which, surprisingly, resonated with enough people to secure him the win.

Florida Man Uses Alligator to Rob Liquor Store - This story combines Florida's wildlife with criminal mischief. A man reportedly entered a liquor store with an alligator, demanding alcohol, which is both dangerous and bizarre enough to make headlines.

Florida Man Fights Imaginary People in Walmart - This incident involves a man in a Walmart who was seen engaging in a physical altercation with invisible opponents, showcasing the sometimes inexplicable behavior that Florida Man stories often involve.

Florida Man Sets Record for Longest Time Spent Living in an Airport - While not criminal, this story highlights the eccentric side of Florida Man, where someone decided to live in an airport for an extended period, perhaps for the novelty or out of necessity, setting a peculiar record.

Florida Man Catches Record-Breaking Giant Goldfish in Local Pond - This story taps into the larger-than-life aspect of Florida, where even the fish seem to grow to monstrous sizes, leading to tales of adventure and local pride.

The "Florida Man" meme often plays on the stereotype of Floridians as being more eccentric or prone to wild behavior, which might be attributed to the state's diverse population, unique laws, or simply the sheer volume of news coming out of a large state. These stories are usually sourced from actual news reports, which are then shared online for their entertainment value, often with a humorous twist or exaggeration for effect.

My post was a bit misleading, by elite I meant intelligent content creators, not echo chamber evangelists or providers of misleading content.

By "creative" I meant those who challenge the norms and think outside the box to deliver a new inspiring perspective.

Diversity of input is good for training AI networks.

But sometimes deep learning algorithms actually themselves introduce noise in order to avoid getting stuck in a delusional "best of all worlds" state.

A bit like if a blind man had a goal to get down to sea level from the top of a mountain and found himself in a local plateau thinking he was there.

If someone gave him a little push over the edge he'd tumble further down, closer to his goal.

I see creativity & art a bit like that, to inspire, a k a kick, others to find new perspectives

[bxbrkrz]

I feel the exact opposite. Not perfection. AI needs more strange and bizarre humans, not the well educated ones belonging to the predictable and boring elite class.

"Florida man" would be a much more useful dataset because of the randomness behavior of the meme.


Ask Grok 2 (mini)

The Florida man meme with examples

The "Florida Man" meme has become a cultural phenomenon, often highlighting bizarre, humorous, or outrageous news stories involving individuals from Florida. Here are some examples that encapsulate the spirit of the meme:

Florida Man Tries to Steal Police Car While Wearing Ankle Monitor - This story captures the audacity and often self-defeating behavior that Florida Man is known for. The individual, already under some form of legal supervision, thought it was a good idea to attempt to steal a police car, which of course, was easily traced back to him due to his ankle monitor.

Florida Man Wins Election for Mayor of Small Town After Campaigning on a Platform of Free Beer - This example plays into the whimsical and sometimes absurd political landscape that can be found in Florida. The candidate promised free beer to voters, which, surprisingly, resonated with enough people to secure him the win.

Florida Man Uses Alligator to Rob Liquor Store - This story combines Florida's wildlife with criminal mischief. A man reportedly entered a liquor store with an alligator, demanding alcohol, which is both dangerous and bizarre enough to make headlines.

Florida Man Fights Imaginary People in Walmart - This incident involves a man in a Walmart who was seen engaging in a physical altercation with invisible opponents, showcasing the sometimes inexplicable behavior that Florida Man stories often involve.

Florida Man Sets Record for Longest Time Spent Living in an Airport - While not criminal, this story highlights the eccentric side of Florida Man, where someone decided to live in an airport for an extended period, perhaps for the novelty or out of necessity, setting a peculiar record.

Florida Man Catches Record-Breaking Giant Goldfish in Local Pond - This story taps into the larger-than-life aspect of Florida, where even the fish seem to grow to monstrous sizes, leading to tales of adventure and local pride.

The "Florida Man" meme often plays on the stereotype of Floridians as being more eccentric or prone to wild behavior, which might be attributed to the state's diverse population, unique laws, or simply the sheer volume of news coming out of a large state. These stories are usually sourced from actual news reports, which are then shared online for their entertainment value, often with a humorous twist or exaggeration for effect.

My post was a bit misleading, by elite I meant intelligent content creators, not echo chamber evangelists or providers of misleading content.

By "creative" I meant those who challenge the norms and think outside the box to deliver a new inspiring perspective.

Diversity of input is good for training AI networks.

But sometimes deep learning algorithms actually themselves introduce noise in order to avoid getting stuck in a delusional "best of all worlds" state.

A bit like if a blind man had a goal to get down to sea level from the top of a mountain and found himself in a local plateau thinking he was there.

If someone gave him a little push over the edge he'd tumble further down, closer to his goal.

I see creativity & art a bit like that, to inspire, a k a kick, others to find new perspectives

Good point. Still within the context of the AI creating its own synthetic dataset, getting poorer and poorer. I don't know how you can code the meaning of being curious or being inspired to do something without human's help.



Can the AI be curious enough to push the blind man?

[Yonatan]

Human spark and creativity will not vanish or be replaced by Ai, but new powerful Ai tools will bring the level up in every way. A lot of non inspired things will flood the internet, so it will stimulate an inflation. Things will be able to be more polished, even the lowest expressions will be more refined technically. But artistic minds and hearts, will start using Ai tools in ways not directly intended. We wont squeeze out our need to create. Just the level of creative output will differ as it always has. How many paintings of an apple have not been made be countless people down the ages? How many books have not been written that fills the second hand shops for a penny?
And still, where some people see nothing of value, others may see something meaningful.

The main concern is how Ai will be used ill minded and how to protect and educate to not be so easily manipulated.
Also, job market and how we may need have some universal basic income and refocus our priorities and values in life.
Some regulation need be in place, not simply ban Ai altogether, but find some way to prevent havoc. Or the genie is already out of the bottle. But our spiritual awareness need deepen with a tool like AGI, or we will have a clone wars.

[avasopht]

Good point. Still within the context of the AI creating its own synthetic dataset, getting poorer and poorer. I don't know how you can code the meaning of being curious or being inspired to do something without human's help.



Can the AI be curious enough to push the blind man?

This is trivial. Curiosity isn't elusive and has been done decades ago with Creatures (see Steve Grand's book, Creation: Life and how to make it).

Creativity has easy and hard parts.

You can be creative by being random and just producing works that are unusual.

There is another level of creativity that has more depth and solves a problem. With music you may be solving the problem of creating something original and novel but not so different that it's unrelatable. Or maybe you're solving the problem of identifying what problem you actually want to solve musically.



What's interesting is that humans have not figured out creativity (which is why it's so revered).

[bxbrkrz]

Good point. Still within the context of the AI creating its own synthetic dataset, getting poorer and poorer. I don't know how you can code the meaning of being curious or being inspired to do something without human's help.



Can the AI be curious enough to push the blind man?

This is trivial. Curiosity isn't elusive and has been done decades ago with Creatures (see Steve Grand's book, Creation: Life and how to make it).

Creativity has easy and hard parts.

You can be creative by being random and just producing works that are unusual.

There is another level of creativity that has more depth and solves a problem. With music you may be solving the problem of creating something original and novel but not so different that it's unrelatable. Or maybe you're solving the problem of identifying what problem you actually want to solve musically.



What's interesting is that humans have not figured out creativity (which is why it's so revered).

When I was young I was fascinated by the image and the noise coming from my old TV. I was getting very close the screen so I could observe the little dots dancing.
The TV could not tell if it was producing something fun or boring to look at. My interpretation as a young kid was it was fun to look at, until I got bored and turned the TV off.

I don't know how the observer's perspective, an observer who can appreciate or reject looking at pure noise depending of the story attached to the observation, can emerge from AI.

[jappe]

You can be creative by being random and just producing works that are unusual.

There is another level of creativity that has more depth and solves a problem. With music you may be solving the problem of creating something original and novel but not so different that it's unrelatable. Or maybe you're solving the problem of identifying what problem you actually want to solve musically.

What's interesting is that humans have not figured out creativity (which is why it's so revered).

Indeed.
Like AI, we are very much pattern recognizers, with a faiblesse for small mysteries & deviations from what's expected.
It's like we're driven by riddles because what we get to know becomes boring.

Like an almost mainstream song that has a few unexpected twists, we feel the urge to listen to it repeatedly, until the unexpected is done retraining the brain and it too becomes boring.

A painting that looks nice but mainstream, then you look a little bit closer you see a little something that does not belong there at all. Also in movies, I get a bit of that same feeling in the Simon Stålenhag inspired HBO Series "Tales From The Loop"

Then there's creativity that makes a bridge between isolated islands of boring known stuff. Like Fusion Jazz

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[Yonatan]

What I look forward to is to use Ai on a more personal level, if I can myself have my own Assistant or "virtual co-worker" to be able to decide what I want to feed into it. Prompts in all glory, but that could be more sophisticated. To somewhat nullify or reset this assistant and give it different tasks for different projects, and then I can train it myself to a degree.
It becomes like a super computer. Of course I could give it tasks to troll the open internet for certain gathering of data or inspiration. Ai is best used to do all such things that would take me days or weeks to do manually. Ai can be our loyal co-worker for mundane things. Sometimes machine-learning and Ai is mystified because we can't yet see exactly how it is trained because we have not programmed it ourselves. But it will become more Open Source common models for all to try.

If I am an artist, I could feed assistant a bunch of ideas, snippets and collaborate variations out of that, and have a reglage on how twisted or out of the box, I want it to go. Maybe I just want very narrow variations or I want a total new style. Feed it with pictures, paintings or musical phrases/songs etc. I am becoming more and more onboard with using Ai targeted, more conscious and with more awareness.
At the moment, yes, cool, anyone can create something that been impossible or very hard earlier, but I think that will settle a bit and although keep being used, the hype will settle a bit and more and more, tools will be developed for those who want more control over their work. I mean, there is a time for fun and testing and throwing around and brainstorming ideas, but choices need be made and editing need be made for all who have a sense of what direction they want to go further. Once a choice of direction, the need for more specialised tools will be of interest.
I mean, if I were to create a full song, there are many choices to make along the way. In beginning, I may play some chords on keyboard or whatever, and if I don't get a melody naturally in my head and heart, I could just start improvising and try out different ways and there need be a conscious present awareness to "listen" and reference and make a judgement what I will choose to go further with. To be honest, a lot of music sounds repetitive and similar long before Ai. Especially on the charts. The lyrics have been dumb down and also the music. Ai generated songs actually brings more variations than before. I think this will be good for our general sense, the will to only imitate and copy, will be more or less useless.
Music will be the winner, art will be the winner, but the market will become different and flooded. Inflation will be.
But it was a dilemma even earlier, the so called democratisation of things. I am all for it, that more people can afford a home studio, that creative minds can have tools to express themselves in many ways. But who will be the gatekeepers?
We ourselves need be gatekeepers of what we put out there to our environment. Will we pollute or make it have value...
I hope and think we will find new venues and ways to let the high quality works (soulwise) be spread.

[bxbrkrz]

9:29 min AI is more creative than humans

[avasopht]

This one is less surprising but well executed!

[Yonatan]

[bxbrkrz]

[phobic]

One of the founders of Udio (which along with Suno is arguably currently the most advanced music creation AI tool available) gives his thoughts in an interview

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Plus Open AI's advanced chat gpt Omni voice model is finally starting to get rolled out to subscribers

[bxbrkrz]

"...delve elsewhere..." I know what you did there

"Delve" is ChatGPT's favorite word.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Fuck.

[bxbrkrz]

Fuck.

create a funny meme based on that meme all your base are belong to us, but instead of base use the word mix

Every song in the world should sound like a T. Swift masterpiece from now on, until the end of time