A.I music will take over

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Post 29 Mar 2024

It is inevitable.
It is becoming so good it wont be long until we won't be able to tell the difference. :?

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Post 29 Mar 2024

80% of the stuff on Spotify is like that...
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Post 29 Mar 2024

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Post 29 Mar 2024

I am here, still waiting for A.I. to create funky town 2.0. No prompting. Only from the feedback of their dreams.
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Post 29 Mar 2024

ha, I like ai, I already got ai results that are beyond the imaginable. I think it will not really replace us, but it will go beyond our abilities and increase our creativity and excite us more than we can imagine.. crazy creative ideas!

I'm in some beta group testing a new 48KhZ ai model for text-to-music, very cool stuff.

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Post 29 Mar 2024

Meh. Never cared for royalty free music and not gonna start now because it was made algorithmically from stolen data sets.

The pop punk example sounded too much like the green day singer. Hmmm i wonder why... 🤔 😂

Hopefully lawmakers will ensure the shit these services pump cannot be copyrighted and thus cannot be commercialized and abused by uncreative losers thinking they will make a buck when in reality the only ones profiting will be these services cause all the potential copyrights of whatever crap gets pumped out actually belongs to them... That is, until the owners of the original material it was trained on take action and then in the end the only ones profiting will be the big labels, as usual. 🙄

Scammers upon scammers upon scammers. All this dumb shit is so fucking 🙄

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Post 02 Apr 2024

Another overview of Suno V3, have to admit it is impressive :thumbs_up:

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Post 02 Apr 2024

Lots of talk here about A.I. taking over music, but I am pretty sure Allen Iverson is not a musician.

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Post 02 Apr 2024

It's impressive on some level but sounds bad in general. I believe in integrated AI tools, something like Soothe2 that suppresses resonances or Steinberg Backbone that creates one-shot percussion samples, or even Synthesizer V and Vocaloid which allow you to compose vocals with "voice banks". But even with these vocals synthesizers, you are still actually writing the lyrics and notes in just like using any other virtual synthesizer, so you're actually doing real work.

The only case of generative AI which could be somewhat useful is if it generates a specific stem from a prompt like "make a dark percussive jungle loop, 8 bars, 144 bpm", but even then I can just make that stem myself just as fast and better instead of generating and searching like a lazy batch. I don't buy that whole shtick of "oh I need inspiration from some sample!". Open a synthesizer, or something, find a cool sound, start. Not to mention generative tools have existed in DAW's, even Reason for decades already, especially in the EDM scene, they can come in the form of Arpeggiators, these Reason players, etc. These particular methods are much more powerful and hands on.

So I don't see a point in generative AI. There's not even a point for companies or content creators to subscribe to these services when there's a TON of royalty free music out there which sounds infinitely better. Right now AI is a huge testing ground so people and many start-ups are experimenting. But integration tools are the only ones that make sense for the future.

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Post 02 Apr 2024

I'm wondering if we'll get a boom-bust cycle like what happened with crypto mining. Generative AI seems quite intensive from a hardware perspective, so how sustainable is the business for sites? Are they largely propped up with venture capital that may dry up in the future? Will garbage in - garbage out cause a decline in the quality of the generated results? Will the glut of AI generated music fuel a larger interest in seeing people play music live?

AI currently is a novelty, but will it wear off for the larger public? I agree with PhillipOrdonez in that scammers will be the most incentivized to keep using it. I also see it as a potentially good tool for DJs. It'll also be the bane of streaming services.

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Post 02 Apr 2024

I'm waiting for AI to replace me. It probably doesn't need much I.

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Post 13 Apr 2024



The timing is rough.
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Post 13 Apr 2024

It's all about The Song
May the best process win
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Post 14 Apr 2024

I myself find it comforting to be able to say that AI music is that good, as an alternative to acknowledging that my own is not that good. :-)

Another thought, if we drop the adjective, a Beethoven or a Mozart will still be able to compete on the 'intelligent' front, and the fact that they are not 'artificial' is what will maintain the art. Great music will not be AI. AI might trump most of us, which is what we're discouraged about, because we are vain. But great music will still come solely from great musicians.

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Post 14 Apr 2024

What will it mean when A.I creates a song so emotionally deep it makes humans cry. :think:
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Post 14 Apr 2024

Aosta wrote:
14 Apr 2024
What will it mean when A.I creates a song so emotionally deep it makes humans cry. :think:
Simply means the low average of all pepper spray songs on Spotify will have reached their ultimate hollowness of #sadsong #mecry.
A song is a marker to your timeline. The goal is not to make you cry, but to make you cry over and over and over again, and for you to remember to do so again decades from now, because you remember why you cried the first time you heard it.
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Post 15 Apr 2024

This is what it sounds like, when droids cry 🎵
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Post 15 Apr 2024

motuscott wrote:
15 Apr 2024
This is what it sounds like, when droids cry 🎵
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Post 16 Apr 2024

There's more than enough music out there already. Yet we still can't get enough of it!
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Post 16 Apr 2024

Respectfully disagree
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Post 18 Apr 2024

This is terrible, seriously. That's all I'll say about it as I find it heartbreaking for real talented musicians.
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Post 22 Apr 2024

Real Talented Musicians, That's what's for breakfast.
Look I'm as old schul as they come, but there's the wall and there's the writing on it.
Time, She no care.
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Post 22 Apr 2024

Aosta wrote:
29 Mar 2024
It is inevitable.
It is becoming so good it wont be long until we won't be able to tell the difference. :?

sounds generic af. but AI will get there, for sure. its already worlds ahead of what it sounded 2-3 years ago. i just wonder if AI music and human musician can maybe co-exist? will there stay niches that only humans can do? or will there be "naturalist" music fans? or, most likely, will most human musicians stay in charge but let AI do a lot in the process? or will AI become a niche because of bazillion copyright violation trials? i mean, electronic music didnt end classic instrumental music, recording didnt end live music, so i think coexistence is a likely scenario.

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Post 22 Apr 2024



Muzak VS AI. Who wins?
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Post 23 Apr 2024

While some of the quality is improving, what I thought it would be best for is providing royalty free tracks to resample from. I listened to a few pieces on SUNO yesterday, and I have to say that it's major redeeming feature was how funny it was.

Can it get better? Well, it's still very much tied to the ideas that humans give it, and it's absolutely a programmed piece right now, there is no inspiration or soul involved with it. There's a limit to it, but the output is still useful in the above mentined sampling situation.

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