Can music be objectively bad?

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david1806
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Post 07 Oct 2019

"Here's the Austrian IceJJFish if you will. He made a big career out of it." - the difference being this idiot is just on a wind-up....isn't he? When he called himself a "nigger" and danced with the kids, that kind of gives it away. Otherwise he wants shooting. IceJJFish is deadly serious....and also wants shooting....

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Post 07 Oct 2019

david1806 wrote:
07 Oct 2019
"Here's the Austrian IceJJFish if you will. He made a big career out of it." - the difference being this idiot is just on a wind-up....isn't he? When he called himself a "nigger" and danced with the kids, that kind of gives it away. Otherwise he wants shooting. IceJJFish is deadly serious....and also wants shooting....
I honestly think he is just doing it for the views. It actually sounds like he's purposely fucking up every aspect harmony. The beats are actually decent though, that's the funniest part :D
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reggie1979
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Post 07 Oct 2019

guitfnky wrote:
07 Oct 2019
reddust wrote:
07 Oct 2019
yes, it can...

😂 you’re ignoring all the screaming fans in the background who obviously too stoned to notice just how bad it is.

There, I fixed that for you :D

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Post 07 Oct 2019

david1806 wrote:
07 Oct 2019
"Here's the Austrian IceJJFish if you will. He made a big career out of it." - the difference being this idiot is just on a wind-up....isn't he? When he called himself a "nigger" and danced with the kids, that kind of gives it away. Otherwise he wants shooting. IceJJFish is deadly serious....and also wants shooting....
I hate rap. I hate the n word, I hate that it pollutes so much of entertainment.

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Post 07 Oct 2019

Oh my days..........Alexander Marcus, my new legend to follow. Three Beat Slide hardly release anything now, but now I have this geezer - thanks diminished!!!

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guitfnky
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Post 07 Oct 2019

reggie1979 wrote:
07 Oct 2019
guitfnky wrote:
07 Oct 2019


😂 you’re ignoring all the screaming fans in the background who obviously too stoned to notice just how bad it is.

There, I fixed that for you :D
aw, when I first saw that you fixed it, I was hoping you’d changed the video to have all the fans sound like a cacophony of screams of the sort you’d hear when Godzilla is attacking the city or something. that would’ve been hilarious. 😂

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Post 07 Oct 2019

Alexander Marcus is brilliant and has no place in this thread.

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guitfnky
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Post 07 Oct 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
07 Oct 2019
Alexander Marcus is brilliant and has no place in this thread.
and thus you’ve summed up why it’s impossible to objectively categorize something as good or bad. 😆

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Post 07 Oct 2019

PhillipOrdonez wrote:
07 Oct 2019
Alexander Marcus is brilliant and has no place in this thread.
I know but it's music that's easily dismissed as shitty by the ignorant. That's why I posted him.

I'm really, really glad you guys like him. He's a real gem (and a part of me believes that most of his older stuff was made with Reason but I have no proof :) )
He plays with his parent's generation's narrow minded view a lot - about the world, (different) culture(s) and the, in their eyes, necessary "achievements" of their sprouts. He then takes their DUMB music and turns it into a contemporary, even more dumbed down version and adds elements of mental illness, failure and POSITIVITY.
It's magic.
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Post 07 Oct 2019

There is no comparison between music that is well made and intentionally made to be funny or ironically or whatever, to music made by an amateur who has no idea what they are doing.

You may not like the music made by the professional, but can tell the talent is there, even if you cannot understand the intention of an artist like Alexander Marcus cause you are so obtuse. With the second example, the amateur, there's no way is going to be good if said amateur is tone and rhythmically deaf. It is objectively bad no matter how edgy some people here want to pretend they are defending it.

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Post 07 Oct 2019

david1806 wrote:
03 Oct 2019
So this could be subjectively "good"?



Surely not!!!!!!!!!!
I mean sure The Shaggs sound like ass. But at the same time I find that album absolutely fascinating. There's just something about it that stands out from just being bad in a normal boring way.
To be honest that album is way more interesting to listen to than a lot of music. That's gotta be worth something right? Who cares about the skill (or lack thereof) behind it? If it's interesting it's interesting. That's what matters in the end.
It's like the band never heard music before, got some instruments thrown in their hands and started writing songs. You can still tell they rehearsed a lot and knew what they were doing (in their own weird way of course).
It's one of those things that can never happen again, not even by the band itself. Their second album is objectively "better", but still bad. But that one doesn't have nearly as much of an impact as their first. It's too good to be so bad that it's good, if that makes sense.
It's like the movie "The Room". It's just perfectly shit in all the right ways. Stuff like this doesn't work if the artist tries to make it bad intentionally. It has to be with the intention to be good yet fail just enough.

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Post 07 Oct 2019

guitfnky wrote:
07 Oct 2019
reggie1979 wrote:
07 Oct 2019



There, I fixed that for you :D
aw, when I first saw that you fixed it, I was hoping you’d changed the video to have all the fans sound like a cacophony of screams of the sort you’d hear when Godzilla is attacking the city or something. that would’ve been hilarious. 😂
Sorry, I'm not talented like Lil' Wayne :lol:

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Post 07 Oct 2019

reggie1979 wrote:
07 Oct 2019
guitfnky wrote:
07 Oct 2019


aw, when I first saw that you fixed it, I was hoping you’d changed the video to have all the fans sound like a cacophony of screams of the sort you’d hear when Godzilla is attacking the city or something. that would’ve been hilarious. 😂
Sorry, I'm not talented like Lil' Wayne :lol:
you should be proud. 😆

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Post 08 Oct 2019

david1806 wrote:
06 Oct 2019

Just in case you forgot who I mean:


I mean...C'MON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: So I just actually listened to the above track again, from start to end - nope, I am sorry but this ends the argument for me. There is just NO POSSIBLE way that this track could be "subjectively good", no way at all.
Sounds like a typical cloud rap track. That genre just has that kind of sound and obvious display of lacking skill to it. OK for it to be "real and legit" cloud rap he should use much more autotune of course.
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reggie1979
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Post 09 Oct 2019

david1806 wrote:
06 Oct 2019
PhillipOrdonez wrote:
06 Oct 2019
Obviously the track posted from the original post is a terrible piece of stuff made by a complete amateur who had no sense of rhythm or musicality. How can anyone defend it? It is shit, plain and simple. It was not made out of knowledge or taste. It was made out of ignorance. It surely must be objectively bad!

This isn't some piece that was intended to sound bad. They wanted it to be good and failed spectacularly. You having a laugh? 🤷‍♂️
I had to laugh, I couldn't have put it better myself. This is exactly what I meant in an earlier comment, about how if a track is made and it is intentionally supposed to be something, but gets it all wrong (tuning/timing, those sort o things) then surely it is just shit?

I mean going back to our man JJIceFIsh or whatever his fucking name is, that is surely indefensible, it is so bad it sounds like it has been made bad intentionally, like it's all one big wind up. But it's not, the guy is deadly serious.

Just in case you forgot who I mean:


I mean...C'MON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: So I just actually listened to the above track again, from start to end - nope, I am sorry but this ends the argument for me. There is just NO POSSIBLE way that this track could be "subjectively good", no way at all.
Wow! That is bad.

reggie1979
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Post 09 Oct 2019

A good call for autotune :lol:

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