Conflict Creates Consciousness?

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jappe
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09 Jun 2018

jam-s wrote:
08 Jun 2018
What about "brain creates consciousness"?:

quite interesting experiments in that video.

An interesting view on this is the mystery of the double slit experiment:
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215 ... um-physics

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09 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
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aeox wrote:
07 Jun 2018


Who is scared? :D

I was just saying that it's not very productive to try to comprehend something that is impossible to comprehend. The more we know, the more we realize that we actually know nothing!
I believe you've described perfectly how conflicts can create Consciousness:
'Very unhappy and depressed for some reason' VS 'the love of embracing the unknown by always asking the difficult questions with impossible answers'.
;)
I don't follow.. ;/

I think we are on completely different wavelengths on the subject :P

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aeox wrote:
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bxbrkrz wrote:
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I believe you've described perfectly how conflicts can create Consciousness:
'Very unhappy and depressed for some reason' VS 'the love of embracing the unknown by always asking the difficult questions with impossible answers'.
;)
I don't follow.. ;/

I think we are on completely different wavelengths on the subject :P
When you think about what reality is, it makes you very unhappy and depressed for some reason. I have the opposite reaction and I feel happy.
So:
completely different wavelengths on the subject = Conflict of ideas = birth of Consciousness = subject matter of the thread proven to be true. :P

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09 Jun 2018



"Reality"

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10 Jun 2018

This is the best clip I've seen, showing the mystery of the double slit experiment:


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jappe
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13 Jun 2018

Interesting.
I'm missing an option from that list though: We are the only civilization.

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13 Jun 2018

jappe wrote:
13 Jun 2018
Interesting.
I'm missing an option from that list though: We are the only civilization.
If we are the only civilization/life in the whole reality it could mean we are a simulation.

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13 Jun 2018

bxbrkrz wrote:
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If we are the only civilization/life in the whole reality it could mean we are a simulation.
Or every civilization is the only one in it's universe :)

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normen wrote:
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bxbrkrz wrote:
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If we are the only civilization/life in the whole reality it could mean we are a simulation.
Or every civilization is the only one in it's universe :)
One civilization per universe. Each universe with different physical rules. The mulri-verse is the ultimate state of Consciousness, the "glue" that keeps all the bubbles be. In one universe the rules make wizardry and dragons a reality. Magic is their reality. When we 'dream' we see faint echoes of other civilizations, beyond our reality.

Or we are a simulation run by a teen from the 11th dimension, as a week end project for his finals.

:puf_smile:

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13 Jun 2018

... or the other civilisations are long gone (wiped-out themselves just like we're about to do...) or still not at a level where we could detect them (like we a few hundred years ago):

https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educa ... ife-exists
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
and also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
If you're in Aachen, come and visit us at the Voidspace.

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jam-s wrote:
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... or the other civilisations are long gone (wiped-out themselves just like we're about to do...) or still not at a level where we could detect them (like we a few hundred years ago):

https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educa ... ife-exists
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
and also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
If we wipe ourselves out, and if we are that bad, the cosmos would welcome the outcome.

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jam-s wrote:
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... or the other civilisations are long gone (wiped-out themselves just like we're about to do...) or still not at a level where we could detect them (like we a few hundred years ago):
Theres a lot of solutions to the Fermi "Paradox", I mean he, Drake and Sagan also just pulled those numbers out of their asses. We have no second sample so we have no data, simple as that.

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15 Jun 2018

The Fermi 'Paradox' was created withing Fermi's Consciousness, born from essentially a conflicted observation.

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Maybe the state of Consciousness predates the existence of matter, or in Descarte's case, hubris. :puf_smile:

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bxbrkrz wrote:
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aeox wrote:
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I don't follow.. ;/

I think we are on completely different wavelengths on the subject :P
When you think about what reality is, it makes you very unhappy and depressed for some reason. I have the opposite reaction and I feel happy.
So:
completely different wavelengths on the subject = Conflict of ideas = birth of Consciousness = subject matter of the thread proven to be true. :P
I think it was depressing for me at that time in my life because very few people around me felt the same way or had that curiosity. It's rare to find people with the same interest in the subject, outside of heavy psychedelic users. This can be depressing in and of itself. The subject itself is not depressing but rather the opposite ,indeed!




I wasn't trying to disprove the subject or anything.. What do you mean?

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aeox wrote:
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bxbrkrz wrote:
09 Jun 2018

When you think about what reality is, it makes you very unhappy and depressed for some reason. I have the opposite reaction and I feel happy.
So:
completely different wavelengths on the subject = Conflict of ideas = birth of Consciousness = subject matter of the thread proven to be true. :P
I think it was depressing for me at that time in my life because very few people around me felt the same way or had that curiosity. It's rare to find people with the same interest in the subject, outside of heavy psychedelic users. This can be depressing in and of itself. The subject itself is not depressing but rather the opposite ,indeed!




I wasn't trying to disprove the subject or anything.. What do you mean?
Life is the biggest trip ever. No one has the answer.

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bxbrkrz wrote:
15 Jun 2018
aeox wrote:
15 Jun 2018


I think it was depressing for me at that time in my life because very few people around me felt the same way or had that curiosity. It's rare to find people with the same interest in the subject, outside of heavy psychedelic users. This can be depressing in and of itself. The subject itself is not depressing but rather the opposite ,indeed!




I wasn't trying to disprove the subject or anything.. What do you mean?
Life is the biggest trip ever. No one has the answer.
normen has the answer...
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stratatonic wrote:
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normen has the answer...
I just don't have the question yet.

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normen wrote:
16 Jun 2018
stratatonic wrote:
16 Jun 2018
normen has the answer...
I just don't have the question yet.
Hint: answer is 42

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16 Jun 2018

Consciousness is a tool. No one knows what it is. Yet we use it all the time, barely, to tell ourselves what it is with the upmost certainty.

Consciousness created the universe. I am 100% certain about this.

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19 Jun 2018

So there's a Tom Campbell who has crowdfunded tweaked versions of the double slit experiment to investigate the VR theory:



Presentation of the experiments:


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jappe wrote:
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So there's a Tom Campbell who has crowdfunded tweaked versions of the double slit experiment to investigate the VR theory:



Presentation of the experiments:

if VR is real then God exists as a matter of fact.

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bxbrkrz wrote:
20 Jun 2018
jappe wrote:
19 Jun 2018
So there's a Tom Campbell who has crowdfunded tweaked versions of the double slit experiment to investigate the VR theory:



Presentation of the experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn1i_r6iYBE
if VR is real then God exists as a matter of fact.
If VR is real, I wonder what electric fences and other surprises have been set up to keep us within boundaries.

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jappe wrote:
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So there's a Tom Campbell who has crowdfunded tweaked versions of the double slit experiment to investigate the VR theory:
Tom's been on it for a while now. His "My Big TOE" was kinda interesting in the first part, then he went overboard with his personal OBE experiences and basically put it all to some kind of "astral space" where the "spirits" move around. Sadly there was none of the convincing logic of the first part in that bit. Saying "Well maybe it's not real but VR then" seems konsequent (no, theres no real english translation) :)

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