In your experience, do people act in their own best interest?  Some do yes. The success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous is testimony to that for example. With certain self-esteeming information - that God loves them, that who they are is valuable, that they have worth, that what they do matters, that ...

Upright wrote:So I could do a "the Best of Figure and Take" sound pack and sell them for $20?  Hmmmm..... :sneaky:  

Sounds like a plan. The future is in curation right? DJ makes more than the producer and all that?

In your experience, do people act in their own best interest?  Some do yes. The success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous is testimony to that for example. With certain self-esteeming information - that God loves them, that who they are is valuable, that they have worth, that what they do matters, that ...

Can you imagine listening to your rap lyrics being performed millions of times, you didn't get paid for them (because you trusted your manager) and legally, and the label sues you for any performance that sounds like the original?  Or you trusted Discover. That's a very real possibility. Anyone who...

What is mindbogglingly amazing and amusing is that so many people are worried about rights to music they haven't sold, and may never sell. If everyone is truly this paranoid about intellectual property theft, why participate in an open community at all? Think about it: intellectual property include...

I fear is that all of this heightened awareness will lead to Reason users not wanting to collaborate because of all this talk creates the perception that it is a certainty that your music will get lifted. The cynic in me says don't worry, because only people reading these threads are the same lot w...

But this discussion seems weird to me. The goal of the service is obvious and clear (to me anyway): sharing musical ideas for free, witth anyone. I understand the problem arises, when people demand a slice of the cake in the case that someone uses a loop you uploaded to make money. Which frankly do...

I uploaded from Take & Figure without seeing the licensing stuff in the TOS.  You belong to a PRO.  You should probably make it a point to read EULA's and TOS before signing up for new services that involve sharing your music.  Just say'n..  I don't read long TOS on my iphone. I hate doing anything...

They're different art forms. I own Fenders. They're great guitars. But they are PHYSICAL creations. They're not intellectual property. The DESIGN of the guitar is intellectual property, but the guitar itself is physical, and it enables musical creations to be performed on it. This is not the same t...

I uploaded from Take & Figure without seeing the licensing stuff in the TOS.  You belong to a PRO.  You should probably make it a point to read EULA's and TOS before signing up for new services that involve sharing your music.  Just say'n..  I don't read long TOS on my iphone. I hate doing anything...

joeyluck wrote:My responses are mostly towards the folks who are already responding like they have been wronged. Even when they know the terms of service of front and haven't even used the service...

EnochLight wrote:

Verily spake 

I uploaded from Take & Figure without seeing the licensing stuff in the TOS. 

After poking at Reason on and off for nearly seven years and still having no completed tracks — and not having  that much time left in my life — I am coming to grips with the idea that "completed tunes" may never happen. Many, many hundreds of dollars later, I've often stared at all the music crap ...

And let's be frank, the moment someone uploads a Disney loop, or anything else that isn't the creation of the uploader, and someone else unwittingly uses it commercially and someone somewhere notices, and they will, that will be the day PH find themselves up a gum tree without a paddle (apologies f...

Yes, the wording is key. If they use the word music, you could argue in court that your recording was not music and thus what they used was against the agreement! It may sound over the top but cases can be tipped on their head just by little nuances like that. Contracts usually go a little further ...

I think if Discover as a curated, communal, Factory Sound Bank. Nothing more. No, that's a really bad comparison and you need to stop that way of thinking now, imo. You've bought [/b] Reason, thus paid [/b] a license fee (or rather, Props have paid a fee for the loops, eLabs et al, and all the othe...

What is mindbogglingly amazing and amusing is that so many people are worried about rights to music they haven't sold, and may never sell. I've sold licenses to loads of songs. What if I uploaded one of them? Selling the same song twice is not advisable... As has been pointed out, if I upload a son...

Are you kidding me Normen?  You're essentially saying Leo Fender designing guitars is no different from Jeff Beck, Satriani or whoever creating melodies on the guitar?  Creating a preset for an instrument is at best, making an instrument someone then creates music with.  Writing lyrics, melodies an...

GeorgeFeb wrote:Now you see how all the new technologies & laws got people confused!

Not only to relation of music, but to relation of everything!

And no amount of arguing seem to help solve a problem!

Just don't use the site, either uploading or download, until this crap is sorted out better.

Regarding covers, etc. Common sense prevails. Anyone releasing on a major label would be asked for clearance of all samples. And, well, a quick google can confirm lyrics are a cover. And that's all assuming a commercially successful artist is going to get their material from discover in the first p...

What would happen if you wrote 10 jingle-worthy clips and first posted them on a site that grants full copyright to you exclusively, like Soundcloud, then you post them on Discover?  Have you then established your copyright which obliges Discover downloaders to get your permission before making mon...

I don't know about you bro, but I'd call the police if someone stole my $200 guitar, or my wallet that had $20 in it. If you're fine with people making $200 here and there from something you wrote, while you make nothing, upload it to Discover. I'm not cool with that, nor with taking what someone c...

I also think that the current generation mostly has no issue with people re-mixing their stuff (in any way, see youtube etc.). And if that hookline or whatever is the cause for that "fame" that brought in money.. You can still use it yourself to make the same money.. And this is just crazy talk. 1....

But a community refill is very different in that it's mostly sounds and templates to create musical ideas, rather than lyrics, vocals, melodies, hooks and other unique musically performed components. I contributed to the Ochen K Chip84 refill and it's nothing like writing a vocal line or melodic ho...

Enoch "ownership" here is simply a word meaning you can still do what you want with your own track. But you've given up the right to have a say in what another user does with a derivative work that contains your intellectual property. You cannot prevent the user selling the derivative work for a co...

So let me get this right: people who admittedly don't subscribe to or have ever used cloud collaboration are making conclusions about the viability of these services? That's neither fair or helpful. Perhaps (for those who really want to know) we could provide a critique of the service after working...